THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, AUGUST 9mm, 1918.
THE APPEAL TRIBUNAL.
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MERCANTILE BANK'S APPEAL REFUSED.
THREE MONTHS EXEMPTION GRANTED TO THE ASIATIC
PETROLEUM CO. AND MESSES, LEIGH & ORANGE...
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they refuse to grant total exemption, or against whatever decision they come to, you can appeal to this Council.
Mr. CRAMPKIN-Under the Miltary Service Ordinance is not this an apped! Tribunal from the decision the original Tribunal t
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I bave given you the.decision of the Council
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Hon Mr. POLLOCK-I think it ought favour of Mr. Kennedy's total exemption be noted that the Assessors are all and, in addition, some members of Executive Council.
and showing that one particular man is essential to that job. That would. create an absolutely impossible situation. voluminous memorandum which has been H.E, THE GOVERNOR-We have read the sent to us. You argue that such and such works are in the Imperial interests or in Colonial interests. Well, if you like, I the whole of them as either in the Ima- do-not-mind saying that we will accept this, why is Mr. Wood, of the firms of perial or Colonial interest. Accepting Leigh & Orange, indispensable for that
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.E. THE GOVERNOR-In any case these two Cudet officers, of one week's training, H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I beg your are rendering very valuable service, and
- Mr. LucKER-That I can deal with. pardon. You made that same proposal. when could not have been put into upesuu rommitted a breach of etiquette. I do not see any reason why a similar Mr. Pollock, last time, and in doing so
H.E. THE GOVERNOR--Very welk Mr. LOOKER--I need net go into the ration in your bank; Mr. Champkin.
The voting of this Council is net made Colonial importance, because your Excel- list of all this work, of Imperial and
aware of it. You are also very well
The Governor-in-Council sat in the Mr. CHAMPKIN-Yoo, quite a different Council Chamber yesterday to hear Could you ask a safer guide? appeals trom the decisions of the Military Servica Tribunal. E.E. the Governor Certainly no one is better qualified presided, sad there were also present H.E. the General Officer Commanding. to judge a musical instrument. the Colonial Solonial Treasurer
General, the the They know music. Their life-work Director of Public Works, the Secretary for Chinese Affairs, Sir. C. P. Chater. is music. And Melba, McCormack, G. and the Assessors, the Hon. Mr. H. E. Pollock, K.C., Mr. N. J. Stabb and Caruso, Farrar, Galli-Curci, Gluck, Mr. C. H. P. Hay. Homer and a host of other world-
There were three cases. The first was the adjourned appeal by the Mercantile that Mr Kennedy should be granted three months' exemption only. It will be
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Hon. Mr. POLLOCK--Am I a member of fleney and Mr. Chatham also are well the Executive Council sworn to secrecy { } aware that it is very extensive and in- I do not think I am. ia
H.E. THE GOVERNOR The Tribunal do volves a very large amount of money and not publish their voting.
necessitates a very great deal of supervi Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-I contend I am not
sion. I submit to the Council --und those members who have a particular know-
Mr. CHAMPRIN- Mr. Stabb has already public. said before the Tribunal, in effect, that he is in complete accord with the opinions I have expressed-that "substitution before, the, Tribunal that he did not possible up to a limited extent. He said think his bank could be conducted if any and yet it is suggested to me that my enly assistant should be taken. If I had four assistants you might have one. If had five possibly you might have two Mr. Stabb followed that principle out. but you do not apply that principle to me.
Famous artists have chosen the Bank against the Tribunal's decision further men were taken away from him, put nf order. I am an Assessor on this ledge of this subject are well aware of it
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"The Proper Military Authority appeal ed against the decision of the Tribunal that Mr. G. G. Wood, a partner in Messrs. Leigh & Orange, should be exempted. The decision of the Council was to grant Mr. Wood three months' exemption, and the same decision was given in the ease of the Asiatic Petroleum Company, who appealed against the enrolment of Mr. M. M. Maas.
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H.E THE GOVERNOR The business is Mr. Champkin, if a host of angels wafted very different in volume. Might I ask, Mr. Kennedy heavenward to-night what would happen? Would you shut up the bank!
Mr. CHAMPKIN-My head office has sag, gested to me some such possibility and Mr. Champkin, the manager of the has instructed me what to do. They have Mercantile Bank, conducted his own case.
instructed me to cease doing exchange Messrs. Leigh & Orange were represented business and confine myself to local busi by it. Looker, and the Asiatia Petroleumness, thereby running the bank at a loss. Company by Mr. Lewis.
I have these instructions to cease doing exchange business if I ani forced to do so.. H.E. THE GOVERNOR Might I ask, if it is not impertinent, how many hours you work in your bank! 8.30 and usually leave about 3.50.
Mr. CHAMPKIN-I reach the bank at
THE MERCANTILE BANK. H.E. THE GOVERNOR (to Mr. Champ kin)We have read your letter of July th, but it does not add anything fresh to the evidence given by you before the Tribunal I understand from that Jetter. that you have applied to the London office, ns was suggested at the last hearing.
E.E. THE GOVERNOR-TaRt means as siduous, applied work!..
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Mr. CHAMPIN-There are, of course,
ass in the life of every exchange banker when he could put up a board hearing the announcement Back in an hour, hut those days do not happen more often than cupied during the whole of that time once a month. Generally am well oc-
from 9:0 to 5:30. It certain local Ordinances which impose a reinind your Excellency that there are
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taken what has been said, so I will not HE, THE GOVSHNOR-The Press have argue with you.
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that it is impossible for one man to attend to all this work and it must be remembered that there is a great deal of other general work, quize apart from the work under discussion, which also has to be attended to At the beginning of the sisted of three partners. Mr. Griffin, Mr. war Mesars, Leigh & Orange's staff con Leask and Mr. Wood, and two other quali- fed men. Those qualified men were com petent to design plans and prepare speci. cations and to supervise the erection of buildings. I do not think I need dwell before the Council
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I need dwell on the extreme importance of very close supervision of that work or upon the dangers that would arise both to the public and to the parties concern- cd if such supervision could not be given.. All this work cannot be attended to pro- perly and efficiently by one man. It can not even be attended to, save for a short: perind, by two men. One of the great assets in a firm like that of Leigh & Orange is the continuity of their associ tion with their clients and their ability to arrange with each other, if necessary, that each shall have a general knowledge of each other's work so that if anything Eppens to one man another man can do what is necessary. It is of grea: import- byance that the six or eight jobs now under discussion should be attendedsto by mure than one man. To place the whole of the responsibility of these important works. on one particular man is to invite danger. It is impossible from a practical point of view to invite strangers in te qudenv-
MESSRS. LEIGH & ORANGE. The case of Mr. G. G. Wood, a partner Messrs. Leigh & Orange, civil engineers, was then considered. The firm was represented by Mr. "Looker. of Messrs. Deacon, Looker,- Deacon Harston, Mr. Leask, uhother partner of the firm, was also present. The Proper Military Authority. Major Morgan, appealed against the decision that Mr. Wood should be exempt.
.E. THE GOVERNon (to Mr. Looker)-ion of Chinese work. In order to save time, I suggest to you that you confine yourself to the point of the indispensability of Mr. Wood. We are quite with you that a large part of the work that he does on behalf of Messrs. Leigh & Orange is work of Imperial necessity, work in connection with the Dock Company and the Wharf and Godown Company, for instance. In sa other category, it may be said that work the firm is doing is in the Colony's in terest-work for the Electric Light Co., fur, example. There is, however, muck of small importance. The point really is as to the indispensability of Mr. Wood to the work of Leigh & Orange, that he so indispensable Ko May, is that the work cannot
donr ether firms of engineers or architects in the Colony, or, perhaps, by the Public Works Department of the Government,
Mr. LOOKER Are you referring to all the firm's work as a whole or to two ot three particular jobs?
H.E. THE GOVERNOR The particulareur to take over any of this work. The work in which Mr. Wood is engaged has partners of Messrs Leigh & Orange been represented to us- certain work for have been associated with their clients the Dock Company-as essential in Im-
for a number of years. Their clients perial interests, and it is said that Mr.
have come to regard them as responsible- Wood is the only person who can do it, people upon whom reliance can be placed. I want you to try nad convince us that and have come to regard their advice an he is the only man who can do it"
advice upon which they can place reliance Mr. LOOKER That is the Dock Com-
as capable and experienced men. It can- pany's work.
not possibly be suggested that the same H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I do not inse confidence would he imposed by the sight of the fact, which the Colonial clients in total strangers to the business. Secretary has pointed out, that Majors would be imposed by them in members Morgan is the appellant in this case. I of the firm with whom they have been in H.E. THE COVERSOR-Upon the Tri- have taken the course I bave in order touch and upon whom they know they bunal are six business men, and ther to save time. I believe you are a busy can rely, and I do cot think that this apparently came to the conclusion that man and we are all busy 'men,
Council will seriously suggest for m you and Mr. Sim. with agichance such Mr. LookEn anderstand that the moment that any of this work should be as you could probably obtain in the Council takes a general view in support undertaken by the P.W.D. Colony, ought to be able to cope with of the decision of the Tribunal," but it the work of the bank. Of course, we have wants to be satisfied that Mr. Wood's pre- all to work much harder than we disease is a necessity, particularly for the before the war. There are several good jobs of Imperial and Colonial port men on the substituition list. You brush ance which the 6rm is engaged" in.. them away.
that way. There are two points. One is H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I have not put it
not necessary to
and that they have replied that they .cannot send you a man, and instruct you to go on with the appeal You have also been in communication with Mr. Jenkin regarding a substitute, and you say, in effect, that you are not prepared to neesm a stranger in the bank. You write cannot in the public interest place stranger in charge of my local business,
Mr. CHAMPKIN-A stranger to my busigal obligation on a bank to do is work between the hours of 9.30 and 6 o'clock. There is a certain time after which a Bill cannot be noted. Cheques from other banks have to be cleared at a certain time and my other colleagues would not listen to me. very sympathetically if I informed them that their cheques, which had not been cleared, would have heen cleared if the Tribunal bad not taken away the only menus I have of clearing them. του jinipos legal obligations to do this work in the course of the day." and now you
ness, that is.
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H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I would like to point out to you, as it has a very im portant bearing on the case, that I sug gested to you the last time you were here that you might take Mr..Dowbiggin into the bank, and the excuse you gave for not taking such an obvious course, seeing that Mr. Dowbiggin had already been in the service of the harik. ARTS that was undesirable to Lake an
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change broker into the bank's employ
But the greatest exchange bank in the world I think the Hongkong Bank. has seen no such objection. They have taken Mr. Dowbiggin. and I am told be is an extraordinarily efficient man. Mr. CHAMPKIN-I never doubted Mr Dowbiggin's efficiency. I do not think you have repeated my words quite cor- rectly. I did not say it was impossible to take an exchange broker into the
bank. I said it was extremely undesir able that an exchange broker should obtain knowledge of the inner working of the bank's cperations. Now Mr. Daw. biggin, in his "canneity as assistant in the Hongkong Bank, need not necessarily obtain any inside knowledge of the bank's working. As the only assistant in my
bank he would necessarily bave full know ledge of everything that went on in th
bank.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Still the impres sion created on my mind is that if you had been really desirous of releasing "Mr. Kennedy and doing t! „best you could under the circumstance, you would have overcome objection, which are really not weighty.
suggest taking away from me the only possibility I have of carrying out those obligations.
Mr, CHAMPKIN I have to protect puldis interests.
H.E. TIS GOVERNOR-If everyone adept that attitude where should we be? There are men on the list with very long
experience.
Ren, Mr. POLLOCK-Is your Excellency speaking of men in the military employ
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I am coming to that.
H.F. THE GOVERNOR Why not? far as I am aware--I do not pretend Mr. LooxER-Because to begin with, as to have any inner knowledge--they work
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would ask you, sit, if you have any doubt largely on a different systent, under a different organisation altogether. that the work in connection with the Duck Company is at Imperial importance has a greater acquaintance with build.. on the point to ask Sir Paul Chater, who That we grant you. The second pointing than anyone in the Colony, whether is, is Mr. G. G. Wood indispensable for in the interests of the companies he re- that work That is the question..
bolders the handing over of the execution presents, he could justify to the abare of their works to the Public Works Department.
Mr. LOOKER. You realise, and no doubt the Council realises, that a great deal of the work undertaken by the firm is of essential interest to the Colony.
H.E: THE GOVERNOR-It is not a quex- tion of shareholders. "May I ask why great part of the work could not be given firms of the Colony who happen to have over to engineering and architectural practically their full staffs present owing are many wach firms. to the men being taft or over-age
There
Hon. Mr. PULLOCK--Because these men That is, I think, too patent a fact to need can only be spared in their spare time. your dwelling upon, and to confine any H.E. THE GOVERNOR-That spare time particular member of a firm to one job, may be of assistance.
independent of his necessity for attend Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-Well, sir, I thinking to other "jobs of equal importance, Mr. CHAMPEIN-I do not think it is could possibly take in a man if his spare rather a peculiar footings We are here it is absurd. I do not think`any bank seems to me to be putting the matter on quite fair to suggest that I am not en-time only can be given.
of course, if necessary, to submit that in tirely desirous of releasing Mr. Kennedy H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Before the Mid-view of the Imperial importance of a capabilities of various firms in the There was then some discussion of the and assisting this Tribunal. I am diesex went away did you take any stopa,great deal of the work, and of the essen: Colony to undertake the work upon which desirous of assisting and I am here to Mr. Champkin, to find out if there were tial local importance of a great deal Messrs, Leigh & Orange, are now engag- explain why it is quite impossible to do any suitable men in the ranks of that more, it is absolutely necessary that Mr.ed. The question of the division of re- what you suggest. I am not here to very versatile hamper the work of this Tribunal
regiment?
You never Wood should remain in the Colony. That sponsibility was also raised, and Mr. know, what you may get out of a Ter
in our case, and we cannot put our case Looker asked what would happen if, sub- ritoral regiment. Do you know if they fully before the Council by taking out sequently, trouble occurred and something had any skilled clerks!
one particular job and dealing with Mr.
went wrong which caused delay.or Wood as being, or not being, essential to necessitated the work being done all over that job. You must take the whole of again. this essential work which they are doing, into consideration.
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11.E. THE GOVERNOR-I understand that, but I suggested an obvious course and I thought you would have taken it,
Mr. CHAMPXI--I do not know. I did There was also available at that time a not feel myself called upon to find out. Cadet officer and you did not take any
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I took the steps to see if you could get him.I have trouble to find out, unfortunately only looked through the duties of Mr. Kennedy after that regiment had left. A man in and notice that one thing upon which the Garrison Artillery has held the re stress is laid is the necessity of an sponsible post of cashier in a bank for intimate knowledge of the signatures of six years. people who sign cheques on your bank. About how many signatures are there 1
Mr. CHAMFEIN-I cannot say the total, but I can give you the total of our current account balances.
Mr. CHAMPKIN Are the military authorities prepared to relieve him from service?
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H.E. THE GOVERNOR—† ́AM ·afraid not, but in the new regiment coming out you H.E.
THE GOVERNOR-It does not may possible and a man. appear to me that it would be a dificult Mr. CHAMPKIN-Possibly, xir, but do matter for another man to pick up a you think I should take any risk. Is knowledge of these signatures Another there an honourable member of this point which you make is that Mr. Ken-Tribunal who would sleep well in his nedy has charge of Inward Bills. Is bed if he knew that his account was being there any great difference in the com- dealt with in a perfunctory manner by a plexity of Ioward Bills and Outward man who did not know his signature. Billa 1
MATH.E. THE GOVERNOR-If I did my busi Mr. CHAMPKIN-I should think not. Iness with your bank i should have no should think a man who is capable of hesitation at all.
equally capable of dealing with Taward nature is perfectly well knotta. Bills.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-So would I Will it surprise you to learn that the Cadet officer who has been leaf to the Hongkong Bank, and who under-studied the man he replaced for soven days only, has been put directly in charge of Outward Bills? He is of course, a well educated man.**
Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-I understand that is not correct, sir,
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H.E. THE GOVERNOR What are the duties of Mr. North?
Mr. Sans-Hills payable. Quite a dif. ferent thing.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I venture to say I could learn all the signatures in your bank in two days,
Mr. CHAMPKIN 'did not reply, and the Council then considered the malter in private.
Sabrequently H.E. THE GOVERNOR an nounced to Mr. Champkin-The Tribunal decided to grant Mr. Kennedy exemption for three months. This Council is not prepared to interfere with that decision, but you are aware, of course, that at the end of this three months' exemption you can go back to the Trihanal and if
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-I have indicated that the only work outside the Dock Company's work and the Wharf and Godown's work which appears to be essential to the Colony is the electric light installation.
H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Might I ask what in the objection to having the work super- vised by a man of the capacity of Mr. Jaffe. Inhould think that Mr. Jaffe, who has just completed the Tytam Tuk reser vair and the Mong Kok Tsui breakwater and has done many other things, is about as good a 'man as you could get.
Mr. LOOKER--I quite appreciate your view on that, but it may very well be
Mr. LooKER I have not the slightest that the Council may take the view of doubt that in his particular line, what- winhing to bear me further on the paint
ever that may be, Mr. Jaffe is a good that the other work the firm has under- a man as you can get. But Mr. Chatham taken is in the essential interest of the he is good at building dams or break will tell you, if you ask him, that because Colony,
Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-What other work good, as a matter, of course, in extending waters it does not at all follow that he ix is there?
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Mr. LOOKER-Before going into details fence.
1 must ask permission to address the Hon, Mr. PoLLock-One difficulty I Council in private, because there is a good see: this question of mixed or divided deal of confidential matter which in all responsibility. That does seem to me a the interests concerned: it is desirable very important question should not be published.
Mr. LOOKER would just add to what H.E. the GOVERNOR-I do not think it Mr. Pollock has said that the plans on is necessary. It is not a question of how aneh of these works, meat, of course, ba much work is being done. The question the plans of Messrs. Leigh & Orange in whether Mr. Wood is indispensable for whatever happens, and to put a stranger that work. It will shorten the proceed in charge of the work of supervising. ing very much if you will tell me why plans be has not prepared does seem to MF, Wood is indispensable What are the may possibly ignorant mind to be inviting arguments.in support of that I *** Mr. Looken-In order to show that H.E. THE GOVERNOR-Now I would like Mr. Wood is indispensable for the Dock to ask, is it not a fact that Mr. Griffin Company's work and other work, I must when recently in England, volunteered for go into the work as a whole. I am afraid the period of the war for military, 'ser- I cannot properly represent Messrs. Leigh vice. Is that within your knowledge? & Orange's case by taking out one job Mr. LooxER-That is, perfectly true.
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