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THE CONSCRIPTION TRIBUNAL

EIGHTH MEETING.

EIGHT MEN SET FREE OUT OF

TWENTY-SEVEN.OR

SATURDAY, JULY 2014, 1918.

Mt. Srin-Twelve altogether, counting The Tribunal considered the matter in private and subsequently the Chairman those who were away on leave

The CHAIRMAN They were on leave at announced-The decision of the Tribunal the outbreak of war and did not return. is that, us three gentlemen have just gone, Besides those there are 26 others, we all the eleven before us will be exempted. understand, who have gone from the TAIKOO SUGAR REFINING CO.

Eastern offices, and a further 30 who were training in the London office at

A meeting of the Hongkong Conscrip: tion Tribunal was held at the Council Chamber yesterday, the Hon. Mr. E. Hthy outreak of war. Sharp, K.C., O.BE., presiding over a fall nitendance of members, ·

Mr. STABB-They are all in France. The CRAINMAN-The Bank has lately Twenty-seven cases were under con engaged in Landon five inen, discharged sideration, and out of these eight men from the Army, of whom three are now were set free for active service, the eight on the way out, and we understand that including the three men from the Hong the Bank intends to release an equal num- kong and Shanghai Bank for whom subber of fit men from the Eastern staff.

M. STADH-3s soon as they get settled stitutes had been found and who have

down. That, of course, does not neces already left the Colony Their names were upon the agenda paper, bus, of sarily apply to the head office only. course, they did not appear before the The results. briefly stated. Tribunal

were as follows

HONGYONG & SHANGHAI BANK.; J. A. Ridgway

H. T. Farton Already left.

D: M. Ross, exempt.

R. E. Sedgwick, exempt..

M. A. Murray, exempt.

W. Ross, exempt.

G. E. Towns, exempt. G. B. Dunnett, exempt, E. Wilken, exempt.. H. R Northey, exempt. P. S. Cassidy, exempt.

Leitch and A Balean..

The Chairman-We understand that The Bank asks for exemption for all the remaining eleven. I think the whole eleven volunteered before the Military Ser. vice Commiten not deny, with the exception of one gentleman, who was nat in Hongkong at the time.

The CHAIRMAN then addressed the men individually. None wished to add any thing to the statements made in the papers which had been submitted to the Tribunal.

MT. NORTHEY and Mr. CASSIDY, in their forms, had suggested that they might be spared if substitutes were obtained to do their work. In answer to the Chairman, A. Morse, exempt.

Mr. Northey said his idea was that unfit T. W. Doyle, exempt.

or over-age men, engaged in non-essential The following from the Bank have been occupations, might be employed, or that rejected as unfit:-W. R. P. Thursfield, discharged men from the Army with A. C. Leith, T. G. F. Fleming, T. Making xperience might be obtained from Hame. Mr. Cassidy remarked that when he made his suggestion he was thinking more particularly of three or four of the junior positions. Now three substitutes had been found for three of these positions and there was only one other. That could be filled by a man with some commercial training, not necessarily banking training. Both we said they understood that th Bank was entienvour- ing to get mea from Home

TAIKOO-SUSAN RUKINING CO., LTD. E. J. Beck, no exemption.

A. Nicol, no exemption,

C. Young, no exemption. WC. Jackson, exempt

J. McCubbin, exempt

J. McIntyre, exempt.

J. Muirhead, exempt..

H. C. Resker, exempt.

W. P. Scath, exempt. J. Sloan, exempt.

The following have been rejected as unfit:--R. Dunley, C. B. Sullivan, M O'Brien and T. Baleman.

MESSES W. 8. BAILEY & CO.

T. Ramsay, exempt. The following have been rejected na wift:-A. C. S. Pike and D. 4. Goodwin,

· MBSERS: LEVER BROS., 'LTD, LD. MacNicol, no exemption.

HONGKONG É WIFAMPOA DOCK CO A. G. Graham, no exemption... HONGKONG & SHANGHAI BANK

whic

-will--

become This is the premier bank in the Colony and undoubtedly its importance is well-known and recognized. think, however, having taken men as mentioned from the smaller Banks it is only fair that some men should be taken from this bank. For the reasons stated, 1 urge that at least two men should be non-exempted.

The easca of the employee of the Taikoo

Mr Munnar Scort-No, sir. We can not spare them. If they are away the work is not done.

Mr. Lang-Who did Mr. Nicol's work when he was on leave 1

Mr

Munnay Scorr—He was away on

and is now.

sick leave for two month then consider engaged upon undoing some of the work Sugar Refining Co. were. ad-E. J. Beck, W. C Jackson, J. which was done in his absence. McCubbin, J, McIntyre, J. Muirhead, Colonel Passny-How much experiencp A. Nicol, H. C. Resker, WP. Seath, Jhad Charles Young before he came out, Sloan and C. Young.-M. Murray Scott here?-

Mr. Munday Scorr--He was in o sugad appeared on behalf of the Company.

The Chainman (to Mr. Murray Scott)-refinery at Home. We send Home asking We have read your papers and we son that for men and our technical advisers að the Taikoo Sugar Refining Co. is, Homa search for suitable eandiktes. They indeed, we knew it to bean catirely selected this young man, who had bad British concern. We understand that it training before. He has now been with has a larger capacity and output than us for three years and is an expert,

are

Mr. MURRAY SCOTTI take it that Mr. Younig manns he was working in the huma department at Home, not that he was doing exactly the same work, that of supervisor.

im non-exemption

any other sugar refinery in Asia The In answer to Colonel Passby, Mr. Tribunal does not ask you to say anything Young stated that he was doing exactly more with regard to the importance of the same work as he is doing now for the industry. You ask for the absolute

nyer four years at Home, excription of all ten men before the Tribunal. We understand that the work is carried on throughout the 24 hours in three shifts, and that enough men required to make up those three shifts. Sugar boilers and supervisors or house. foremen, are, we understand, experts Your staff in August, 1914 was 45 Euro- including two men who were then pcans, in England on leave; that is 43 netually in Hongkong. To-day your European staff is 41; that is 40 actually in Hong kong and one on leave. Three men have left the Company for military service. The two sugar boilers before the Tribunal are Mr. McCubbin and Mr. Melatyre How many sugar boilers have you

Mr. MURRAY SCOTT-Six making up the strifts and four-besides who are engaged in other work.

The CHAIRMAN-There are four house foremen or supervisors before us--Mr. Seath, Mr. Muirhead, Mr. Sloan and Mr. Young. All these four were brought out from England with sugar refinery experience?

Mr. MURRAY SCOTT-Yes, un have three men in cach department, that is nine gether, and in those nine is included a

Lour shifts. spare sugar beiler. They work on seven

The CHAIRMAN-Mr. Besker, who, I

S think, came before the Military Cominis-

There are two and you are of opinion ion last year, is a qualified chemist.

that both are necessary i

Mr. MURRAY SCori-Undoubtedly.

Mr. MunRay SocTT-I think it is neces ay as a practical measure, if time and mcey are not to be wasted.

The CHAIRMAN Mr. Beck is foreman of the picking department. Is that expert work

Major MORBAN-I in the case of five.

The CHAIRMAN-Which five? Major MonGAN-T leave that to the Company.

The Tribunal considered the matter in private and subsequently the Chairman announced-The decision of the Tribunal is that no exemption shall be granted in the case of Mr. Young. Mr. Bock and Mr. Nicol. Exemption is granted to the others.

MR. A. G. GRAHAM. The case of Mr. Graham, late of the Hongkong and Whampoa Dock Company, was then considered.

The CHAIRMAN (to Mr. Graham)-You are 39 and married, and you are described on the form before us as store-keeper in the Hengkong and Whampoa Dock Com.. pany. We understand that you have just arranged to loave the Dock Company and go Home. We also understand that Mr. Dyer does not ask for your exemption

exemption. Major Morgan does not press and that you yourself do not desire

for exemption, I presume i

Major MORGAN---No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN, continuing Well, Mr. Graham, you will go.:

Regarding the question of allowances Mr. Grahant was asked to speak to Mr. Fletcher:

MESSAS. W. S. BAILEY & CO, The case of T. Ramsay was the next- considered-Mr. Lewis appeared on be half of the Company.

The ChattMAN (to Mr. Lewis)We have read the papers submitted and we under-

on by Mestra, Bailey & Co. is that of stand, and know, that the business carried ship-builders and engineers. We under stand that the Company bus at present some considerable ship-building-contracts. MT. MURRAY SCOer-In my opinion it on hand, both mercantile and for the is expert work to the extent that it Admiralty. We also gather that the Com much increased during the war. You put 18 on night dety requires an absolutely reliable man. He pany's ordinary mercantile work has it to us that the Company's business is

in the essential interests of the Colony. important both in Imperial interests and

You also put it that these interests call Thin

The CHARMAN-He did not come out from Home as a packer? He is not à packer by trade }

Mr. MURRAY, SCOTT-No The CHAIRMAN He has been engaged by for the exemption of Mr. Ramsay. the Company since the war started 1

Mr. MURRAY Bcorr-1 think shortly after the war started.

pre-war staff of the Company as far as Europeans are concerned was the same numerically as it is today. One Porta- guest book-keeper, we understand, has left for military service..

Major MouGAN--The Ilongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation is the last of the Banks to be considered. The first to be considered was the Chartered Bank man "of of India. There were seven military age-four fit and three unfit. Of there the Tribunal refused excurption in the ease of two. The Mercantile Bank hayn stail of three, all of military age, one of them unfit, and the Tribunal took

The CHAIRMAN-Mr. Nicol is described one from that Bank. Then there was the International Bank, with a staff of four as an engineer draughtsman. He is the pien of military age, two fit and two unfit, only one you have. Could not 'n draughts- only man from the Taikos Dockyard do this The first casen considered were those of Though the military authorit

exclusively for this work? the assistants of the Hongkong and claimed one, the Tribunal gave thein wurk? Is it necessary to have a man Shanghai Banking Corporation :D. Mboth. In the ease of the Hongkong. Bank, Ross, R. E. Sedgwick, M. A. Murray, we have a total of 19—I say 10, because W Ross, G. E. Towns, B. Dunnett, the three men who have just gone away E. Wilken, J. H. Ramsay, H. H. Northey have been replaced, one by a fully trained P. S. Cassidy, A. Morse, J. A. Ridgway, banker, and the other two_by_sub- R, T. Barton and T. W. Doyle. Mr. N. J..stitutes Stabb appeared on behalf of the Bank, efficient

The CHAIRMAN (to Mr. Stabb) We have read the papers that you sent us very carefully, and wo see that you put it to us that, both in Imperial interests and in the essential interests of the Colony, the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank ought The Tri to be effectively maintained. bunal, Mr. Stabb, will not ask you to say

The CHAIRMAX (to Major Mergan)-I anything more about the importance of the Bank. You put it to us that it will am asked to put the question to you. be impracticable to carry on the business whether you have asked for two men of the Bunk effectively with a further realising that in the case of the Hongkong reduction of the British staff, unless, of Bank this is the head office. In the case of the others, you are aware this was not course, the men are replaced..

201 Mr. STABB-That is so. The CRAIMAN--We see from the papers, though we know, of course, without the papers, that Hongkong is the head office of the Bank, and that the branches depend upon Hongkong for men in case of need We gather, also, that the work of the

Mr. STABDI think Major Morgun over Bank has even increased during the war and the British staff, both in Hongkong looks the fact that the staff has been very and in the East, generally, has decreed, considerably reduced since the outbreak

Mr. STADS-Decreased considerably. of war. The CHAIRMAN-We also understand that during the last few days, the Bank has obtained, locally, the services of three medically unit men, and that conse quently thres fit men, whose names are on the list before us, left yesterday or the day before by the Empress of Japan for military service. That reduces the be released. number of those that we have to deal Major Monaix-In addition to those I with to-day to eleven. We have read very wish to claim two. Mr. Stabb stated that true with regard to the expert depart carefully the Bank's war record with the three men could not be released untilments, but you have told us just now the Ramsay position. He is asked if we regard to men. These papers show that the others had become efficient in their there are some who are not experts. You could carry on the work in his absence the pre-way staff in Hongkong, at the work outbreak of war, was 20 Europeans, and 33 Portuguese, and a large Chinese staff Today, the European staff, including the three substitute men that we have just mentioned, is 23. The Portuguese staff bas, on the other hand, been increased to 47, and the Chinese staff is practically as before The number of men who have Mr. STARB-I can only say that if two previously left the Hongkong office for more men are taken away it will be maitary service is, I think, seven plus impossible to run the Bank Mr. Band the three who have just gone.

ford will confirm that.

Major MORGAN-I am perfectly awaro of that,

Colonel PASSY The proportion sou ask for is a smaller proportion because this is the head office of the Bank?

Major MORGAN-Yes.

Major Moro-I quite realise that to making my phim.

The CHAIRMAN And Mr. Young, house foreman and supervisor, was engaged after the war started, I believe?

The CHAIRMAN (to Mr. Ramsay)-You Mr. MURRAY SCOTT-He came out to have been for 10 years with Messrs. Bailey replace a man who had died shortly & Co. You are described as a ship'a draughtsman and engineer and ve before,

The CHAIRMAN Mr. Jackion is an understand you are really assistant You are assistant wharfinger. That is in no sense manager of the Company. expert work, is it, but you put it to us assisted by Mr. Goodwin,, who is a ship's that Lieut. Burn could not carry on the draughtsman, Could Mr. Goodwin carry work he is doing without him?

on in your absence 1.

might be

called expert work He is a he would have to carry on. Probably the Mr. Mornay Boom--I think the work M, RAMSAY-If I died or was taken ilt sailor, though not a certificated officer, firm would be inconvenienced to some Partly owing to Mr. Jackson being extent, Mr. Goodwin is outside in the engaged, although he is not an extra man yard, and there would be no one inside.

at replaced another who died, Lieut. Mr. Lewis Mr. Ramsay is quite will- Burn is able to go on examination service. ing to go. The question puts him in a Continuing, Mr. Murray Scatt said all somewhat difficult position. that three men are expected to join the the men who came from Horse were expert matter of whether he is more important Eastern staff and that three men will then men and could not be replaced in the bere building ships tham as a private soldier in the trenches. If he has to go The CHAIRMAN-We understand that is the work could not be carried on.

Mr. BAILEYYou will understand Mr.

Mr, Hocor-Has Majar Morgan taken into consideration the letter which has been read. In that letter it was stated

The CHAIRMAN→You are asking for two at once irrespective of any futuro tub stitutes 1

Major Moon-Yes. Mr. Hovon Irrespective of the three who left yesterday 1

Major MORGAN-Yes. Those three have already been replaced.

Colony

put it to us generally, I think, that not and, naturally, he hesitates to answer in withstanding the very large European the negative, I am the person who should claff and, of course, it is very large be asked that question. As Mr. Ramsay you cannot spare any individual man who has stated, the firm has only tivo draughtsmen, one of whom is Mr. Ram is now before usi

say. He is an engineer also und my *1=CRHAY SCOTT-I put it that it is right-hand man. Mr. Goodwin's time is so, si Ve cannot spare any man with fally occupied in Ussisting Mr. Ramsay ∙IF out Lang a department unsupervised. and in carrying out the work in the yard

The Carla No supervisors or sugar on the construction of the vessela. boilers Wout Mr. Beck, Mr. Nicol either of these men is taken away the work and Mir Jacken

would be delayed undoubtedly