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THE CONSCRIPTION, time, were 13. Your European staff to- day is 20, showing a reduction of four,

TRIBUNAL

FOURTH MEETING.

NINE MEN OUT OF NINETEEN ALLOWED TO GO.

Indics to the extent, I think, of 11 or 18, for the first time. You did not do that

and you have during the war employ Baro

before!

Mr. Youva--No-

married and is in charge of the town office of the Taikoo Decks and the China river boats. Those are the With regard to the transfer of this man from Government service to your office and the liberation of Mr. Johnstone, we understand that has been arranged?

The CRAIZMAN-We notice, Mr. Young, with regard to the numbers Major Mor sun has mentioned that you have fiftee men of military age eight fit and seven unit which out of the 29 Europeans now in the firm, leaves 14 senior men, You have 15 of military age and 14 past military age, making up the 29.

THE MILITARY AUTHORITIES AND

The CHAIRMAN-And your Chinese clerks THE MEDICAL EXAMINATION,

have increased in number from 13 to 22.

Mr. Youso-1 have not spoken to Mr.

Mr. YOUNG Major Morgan-stated that The fourth meeting of the Hongkong You do not, at present, the Tribunal

Messie. Jardine's were able to spare 4. It Conscription Tribunal was beld at the understands, employ Portuguese to any

Johnstone about it,

was also stated that three reliefs were Council Chamber yesterday afternoon, | extent -

Mr. N. S. Brown was then asked to expected shortly, which, perhaps, may Mr. E. H. Sharp, K.C., presiding over a

Mr. YOURG We have two only.

explain the situation to Mr. Johnstone.alter Major Morgan's point of view. full attendanes of members.ed

The CHAIRMAX How many men we do Tho CHAIRMAN-Subject to this one Major MORGAN-You are expecting ono Nineteen cases were considered and nine not quite understand from the corrected instance, the firm asks for absolute mair next week. men were set free for military service. statement sent in have actually left exemption for all, and the firm puts it Mr. YOUNG-Only as an exchange; not The results stated briefly, ·were direct from the Hongkong office for milito the Tribunal that Imperial interests as a relief. More ships also demand more follows

tary service f

and the essential interests of the Colony men. Do you agree to that, Major. Mr. Young Twelve; that number is as require it?

Morgan before.

MESARS. BUTTERFIELD & BWIDE. J. R. Johnstone, no exemption. H. J. Nairn, no comption. R. W. McIntyre, no exemption. R. J. Rawlinson, no exemption.

N. B. Brown, exempt.

C. C. ckling, exempt

C. H. Davis, exempt.

As

A. D. Calloway, exempt. The following seven men of military age in the service of the firm appeared on the agenda paper as having been rejected as unfit:-T. R. Chassels, R. A. Wilkinson, L. A Barton, T. J. Fisher, B. F. Fielders, J. MeHutchon and R. A. Lawson.

THE HONGKONG ELECTRIC COMPANY. G. M. Cooke, no exemption.

S. Longfield, exempt.

W. Fraser, exempt.

V. Sorby, exempt.

Tho CHAIRMAN We understand that the firm asks for the absolute exemption of all the men now before us--I think eight in number-except in the case of one, with regard to whom a temporary transfer of a man now in Government service has

Mr. Young-Yes, with the exception of Mr. Davis, who should go away on sick

leave.

The CHAIRMAN--With regard to sub stitution, supposing a suitable man, or suitable men, unfit or over-age men, were

Major MORGAN-1 maintain that out of the staff you have available you can

release three men,

Mr. Young-If the staff are all employ ed on Imperial work or work for the Colony that work should be done pro perly. That is our contention. Wa

which is of Imperial importance or to the benefit of the Colony.

been arranged since these papers were found your firm, we suppose, would be require all the men to carry on our work.

sent in Except in that one instance you ask for the absolute exemption of all ?

Mr. YOUNG-Yes.

The CHAIRMAN Your head office is in London 1

Mr. Young That is so.

prepared to let some junior fit men go, with say, one or two months' exemption for training the substitutes.

Mr. Young-Most of our men are train. ed men. Mr. Johnstone is the junior and ho has had three years' training.

The CHAIRMAN You do not feel in a

Mr. YOUNG-No..

The ChainMan-With regard to these eight gentlemen, zeriatim—Mr. Brown is 39 years old, and married; and we under-aition to accede to that? stand that he is Assistant Manager in charge of the Blue Funnel Department. He is managing the requisitioned ships for the Government, which you put it to us is work of Imperial interest. With regard to Mr. McIntyre, he is 26 years old and single, and he is a junior clerk in the

GH. M. Banneritud, exempt. The following four men of military age in the service of the Company have been rojected as unfit-H W. Petley, G. B. Colson, F. F. Duckworth and H. J. Hunt.same department?

MESSRS, WHITEAWAY, LAIDLAW & CO. E. V. Mitchelmore, three months exemp

tion,

SL Hidden, the other European in the employ of this firm, has not yet been medically examined, as he is on sick

leave.

BOCTORS:

F. Lindsay Woods, exemp S. S. Strahan, exempt.

There are no doctors of military age who have been rejected as unfit for service,

INTERNATIONAL BANKING CORPORATION. K. B. Reid, no exemption. D. Ritchie, three months' exemption. The following two men of military age in this bank have been rejected us unfit G. Hogg and N. Buip.

MESHER. THUS, COOK & BUN. EE. W. Abney, three months exemp

tion.

The one European nasistant of military age in this firm, I, T. Housley, has been rejected as unfit..

Mr. Hogg, on behalf of the Inter | national Bank, · stated that he would appen and Mr. Abney remarked that it would be necessary for hin also, in the interests of his firm, to lodge an appeal against the Tribunal's decision. Me Cook's father said he had no desire to keep his son from service, but he wished him employed in sotne capacity in which his three years' training as an engineer would not ho whated. His son had just completed three years' apprenticeship and had two more years to do to complete the

course.

Mr. Young-Yes; in the Blue Funnel. The CHAIEMAN-The pre-war ataff in the Blue Funnel Department was six Europeats and certain Chinese, and is

w four Europeans and one lady who has been engaged during the war, and an increased number of Chinese

Mr. YOUNG-Yes,

The CHAIRMAN-Mr Johnstone, who is 23 and single, is one of the assistants in the general shipping department?

Mr YOUNG-He is in the China Navi gation Steamship Company.

The CHAFUMAN-Wo understand that Mr. Johnstone is the man you have arranged to go in consequence of the transfer referred to

go:

The CHAIRMAN You had a Mr. Herbert in your firm until lately. I do not know whether be was examined by the medical authorities. He is not in the Colony now?

The CHAIRMAN-I think wo quite under- stand that is the position the firm takes. up

The Tribunal considered their decision in private, and subsequently the Chair- man announced that four men from the eight should go. The Tribunal would have said three, but for the understanding that the firm has taken Mr. Hamilton, and on that understanding the Tribunal has decided four instead of three. The four men are the three junior men, Mr. Mcintyre, Mr. Johnstone and Mr. Raw- Mr. YOUNG-He left the firm and has linson and Mr. Nairn. You quite under gone to Saigon.

stand, Mr. Young, that the decision of the. Tribunal would have been three, but it is altered to four on the understanding that Mr. Hamilton is taken.

The CHAIRMAN-What was his age? Mr. YOUNG-He was under military age. long time. He joined us out in the East, He was not with us for a very

He came from Bangkok.

The CHALEMAN--You had Mr. Brewer. He has recently left the firms and taken up another occupation ?

Mr. YOUNG-That is not quite recently; not so recently as Mr. Herbert. It is five months ago,

Mr. YOUNG-I do not understand that. I do not see the reasoning of it. If we had refused to take Mr. Hamilton only three of our inen would have been taken.

The CHARMAN-If there is anything that you wish to say with regard to that particular substitution we should ba very pleased to discuss it with you after The CRAI MAN-There is a question I words, because we do not want to make should like to ask upon your letter-

any arrangement of that kind unless one or two letters refer to it. Mr We understood that it was so, and we entirely with the agreement of the firm. Stewart is chief clerk in the China Navishall be very pleased to discuss that partic gation Department and at present cular matter with you afterwards if there acting as Adjutant of the Hongkong is any question about it. Altogether Mr. YOUNG We are willing to let him Defence Corps, and you put it to us apart from that three men go.

one of your reasons why men cannot be The CHAIRMAN The pre-war stuff in epared from that departiment where there this department was five Europeans, are nt present the chief clerk, three Euro and, at present, there are four European assistants and three native clerks peons, with an increased number of that most of the chief clerk's time is Chinese. Mr. Johnstone has served in occupied with military duties. You give the Navy at some time during this war? us that as a reason why a man cannot

Mr. JOHNSTONE Yes, sir

be spared from that department. I The CHAIRMAX-Mr. Nairu i 34, and his military duties take up so much of single and he is in the Book Department his time that men cannot be spared I of the China Navigation. Your assistsuppose he could be relieved of those ants are largely interchangeable

Mr. Young-A man on accounts is only interchangeable in accounts,

duties 1

Mr. Yound-It would benefit the firm. The CHAIRMAN-Yon put it to us as a

that department?

The CHAIRMAN-Mr. Nairn would be reason why men cannot be spared from by his qualifications interchangeable. He has been in the Shipping Department. He would be interchangeable!

Mr. Young--I think 87.

The CHAIRMAN Mr. Hickling is 24 and married and is in the Sugar Depart ment. Mr. Nicholson is head of the Department, is he not?

Mr. Young-He looks after it from the Managers' point of view. Mr. Hickling has control of the office.

When the Tribunal was opened tho Chairman remarked that before beginning their actual proceedings there was one observation which it was necessary to make, and that was this. That day, and on each occasion when the Tribunal had sat hitherto, papers had been sent in at the last moment, which, therefore, the Tribunal had no opportunity of circulat The CHAIRMAN The pre-war staff in ing or considering beforehand. That, the Sugar Department, we understand, -course, led to delay, and for the con- was five Europeans, and is now three venience of those who had to appear Europeans plus three ladies engaged before the Tribunal, as well as of the during the war. Mr. Davis is 37 and Tribunal itself, they must request that single, and be is also in the Sugar De- all papers to be considered by them should | partment. He was formerly in the be sent in to the clerk well in advance, | Shipping Department, and is, in that as far in advance as possible, fudeed, on sense, interchangeable !

MESSRS BUTTERFIELD & SWIRE.

The first cases considered were the

Mr. Youya-It makes a difference to that department.” I do not mean by most

After some further consultation the Chairman continued The Tribunal not, I think, prepared to go back in any way on its decision that four men are to go, and it is because, with regard to one, that the Tribunal is aware that this substitution that you were prepared to accept is available. On that understand- 195, knowing that that substitution is available, the Tribunal decides that four should go.

Mr. YouNG-1 cannot understand the reason of it. We have four trained men whom the Tribunal elects to go. We have said that the junior of the trained men might be replaced by Mr. Hamilton er the substitute whom you might choose. 1 say that the firm's business will suffer

of his time that he is not in the office at considerably if Mr. Nairn is taken. He all. He is in the office, a great deal of the day, but he has a large number of munications-telephone and otherwise --which take up his time.

The CHAIEMAN When you said most of his time we understood you to mean great deal of his time...

Mr. Young-It appears to us that a large part of his time is taken.

The CHAIRMAN (to Mr. Johnstone)-r. Brown has explained the situation to you. What do you say? You would be glad to go?

Mr. JOKSSTONE-Yes, sir.

is espacially attached to the accounts office. He is working hand in glove with the Admiralty Expense Officor here. No one understands the work in the office except him. He has a junior working with him, but the junior is not of the same capacity a Mr. Nairn. Mr. Naira's loss will seriously affect our business, and it is entirely Government business in this connection. I would like you to reconsider it as far as he is con- cerned..

THE HONGKONG ELECTRIC

COMPANY

The cases of these in the service of

The CHAIRMAN The Tribunal has con- sidered these malters as carefully as Major MORGAN-Last Wednesday the possible and in not prepared to alter its case of Messrs, Jardine, Mathieson & Co decision. Knowing that this substitution was considered. The total number of it is possible and that it meets with your the date given for sending in the forms Mr. Young-Yes. Of course, de we

men was 14, and there were four unit. approval we have decided that four themselves, which was generally several have explained, Mr. Davis is more or Out of this number we can eliminate men can be spared. You have your day before the actual enquiry

Mr. McMurray, who is procceding to powers of appeal. less an extra man at the moment.

Bombay on Imperial work, and Mr. The CHAIRMAN-You claim exemption Hollands, whose case was considered with

Mr. Young Oh, yes, I know assistants of Messrs. Butterfield & Swire for Mr. Davis on the ground that having the China Sugar Refinery. That gives a

N. S. Brown, J. B. Johnstone, Gaspent eight years in China without a total of 16.

Out of that total Mr. Hickling, C. H. Davis, H. J. Nairn, holiday it is now desirable he be granted Landale informed the Triminal that he

W McIntyre, R. J. Rawlinson, and furlough. He was granted military had made arrangements to spare four, only the Hongkong Electric Company were A. D. Galloway-Mr. G. M. Young leave early this year, but was unable asking for temporary exemptions while then considered-8. Longfield W. Frazer appeared as

the representative of the firm to leave at that time He then applied other arrangements were made. This V. Sorby, G. H. M. Bannerman, and G. The CHAIRMAN With regard to your later and it could not be granted. You frm to-day has 15 and they ask for total Cooke Mr. Grabata appeared on be firm, Mr. Young, you point out in the claim exemption for Mr. Davis on the exemption. If one firm is able to spare 4, half of the Company- papers which we have read that shipping ground that his leave is overdue and this firm should, at least, spare three, or,

perhaps, four. As regards Captain understand that the Company supplies The CHALTESTANT (to Mr. Graham)-We and sugar manufacture, in both of you consider it should by granted ↑ which your firm is engaged, come within

MẸ. Young-We think his health de Stewart I think he is in the military

office a little over an hour a day out of electric power to the Colony for light- the category of Imperial interests and the mands it.

the firm's time, and if the firm wants him ing, motors for various industries, and essential interests of the Colony. Your The CHAIRMAN-Mr. Rawlinson is 26 in that time arrangements can be made lights and fans, etc, and you put it to pro-war European staff,, we understand, and single and he is also in the Sugar for the office work to be done out of the was 33, and your Chinese clerke, at that Department, and Mr. Galloway is 37 and firm's time.

us that it is in the essential interest of

the Colony. I do not think the Tribunal

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