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TUESDAY, JANUARY

22ND

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Lord Pu Government

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CLEAN HANDS.”.

TRIBUTE TO THE BRITISH

BEAMANAN

On Bt. Andrew's Day, the Royal Scoty tish Corporation observed its 203rd an niversary festival. by bolding a luncheon rat: the Criterion Restaurant instead of tis customary banquet. About 350 mem

bera of the corporation attended, and the chziz,was taken by Mr. Andrew Fisher High Commissumor for Australia. *'

Replying to the toast of The Imperial Horces Mr Maopherson; M:P (Under Secretary for War) said it was due to the beclose vigils of our gallant Navy that they were able to be there that day, and, for us, there could be no discussion on the freedom of the seas Cheers.)

hands and if there was to be a clearing from the seas it must be clearing of the barbarous and treacherous foes who

had polluted the ocean with

worst form

had alware sailed. clean

The noble lord said. Line present time there were about 1,500 conscientious objectors in prison, and about 1,000 of them had been sentenced Du more than one becasion. The real solution of the question was that it should be approached in a reasonable, rational and fair-minded spirit. Any punishment which was inflicted should be in propor tion to the nature of the offence, end above all things, they ought to guard against anything like unnecessary of vindictive punishment in dealing with questions of conscience. It was in portant that in times of national there was no imputation against thei

gallantry but that we had confidence in excitement the acknowledged prin

them

and would support them to the ciples of the criminal law should be end. It was a proud thing to say that safeguarded. No punishment should be not a single man of our great mercantile inflicted which might lead to the permat marine had refused to go with his ship

fishermen ent entoeblement or debility, of the find (Choors The records, of our

ne most magnificent tri- or body of the person punished Tas formed one o maxinium term of imprisonment recog-butes to energy; industry, and courage.

British Army was not only the nised by our inw was two years, and any

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Ing bayond that period genumber of organization, the world had the Best was men of genuine convictions had not beeh The spirit of the troops at the front

magnificent (Cheers) He knew that able to avail themselves of the exemptions all present were pacifists, not in a halt of the Act because exemption had been accompanied with impossible conditioning, soulless bodiless fashion, but in

determined, at man who would not obey & mandam conte, to backup war Navy and the Army:

the

coste

of his country on a question of conscience and to so if it were posible, that this was & civil ofender, and ought to be was the last of wars, They were paci punished as such.“ Taking the law as it biste in the sense that they wanted a real stood, he did not say that a punishment and definite peace that would allow their proportionate to the civil offence ought descendants to live a loyal, affectionate, not to be imposed on a conscientious and patriotic life (Cheers.) objector, but that was wholly different from the sucessive terms of imprisonment to which he was raising objection

It was announced that, the subscriptions amounted to £4,464, the largest sum over collected on behalf of the Corporation ca St. Andrew's Day,

The Marquis of Lansdowne said them discussions left upon his mind a more org less painful impression that with the best possible intention we had not Kantes managed to deal with this bugih still had been condemned to some form successfully. He disclaimed all sympathy of equivalent service which their With the conscientious objector sa suchciples forbade them to accept.

prin-

ribunals would not have done con-

was

nothing

48 they were very wrongheaded, per The Marquis of Baliebury said the mis yorse set of people, and a danger to the fakes had not been all on one side. The their duty community of which they were members if they had allowed the door Above all he desired that the resentment scientious objection to be opene

opened too which their conduct inspired in many wide. The law

like so mind, should not lead the authorities to ourable to conscientious, objectors in any commit a pad blinder in dealing wone of our Dominious or in the United them. What he would like to find out States as it was in Great Britain. Ho was whether there was any reason to bsgrood 1 there was a caso for greater lieve that there were men now in pristm leniency of treatment for these men who who would not have been there if the were kept in prison, but on the broad tribunal had rightly understood the principle be thought, Parliament and the effect of the Erst Military Service Act. country had done their utmost to meet dome opportunity for redress should be the views of these 'misguided men. (Her, given to those individuals if they existed hear,)

WAE MINISTER'S REPLY

The Earl of Derby said, there was a great deal of misapprehension on the pari of the House as to the part the War Office had to play with regard to conscientious

objectors. A man who received condi

tional exemption and accepted it went

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The Archbishop of Canterbury said this was casentially a case which requited elasticity, I was precisely one of thon

of matters to be contructed to a person great common sense who would so his Gilmer imination in regard to

When the Act

passed straight to the Palham Committee or the through Earlisment, no one really anti- Braco Committee for national work He cipated the line which had been taken did not come within the purview of the by no large number of conscientious ob

Under the present TAKSANG Wodnen, Bard Jau..., 72.16.

who refused conditional exemption. They

by extraordinary difficulties. For LOUNGBANG Friday, 36th Jan, 3.p.maid, Absolute exemption or none pered

Those men went to the Army. The man a long time past there had been hard WINGHANG Baf. 20th Jan., D'light, who want to the Army having made up cases in which men had suffered because YUENSANG ".. Friday, lat Feby & pim.

his mind that under no circumstances of the twist in their conscience. The Would he serve, the Army only knew a matter must be judged in the light of soldier. I was the tribunals that sent new conditions No man could claim him into the ranke of the Army, and he to be relieve of liability by merely say

ing he was zoting conscientiously. could only be treated the same as any other soldier. While these men wern given the penishment which soldier received for not wheying orders or for doing something contrary to military discipline, the War Office gave them the protection that every moldier had a right to expect. What was the position of man who became a soldier and disobeyed an order! He was tried by court-marual and sentenced, but the moment he was sentenced be passed out of military hand into the hands of the civil authorities for his period of detention Therefore in all these case where men were supposed to be badly treated in prison there was no indictment against the Military Ser Viscount Knutsford thought that if vic Act for working badly so far as the en acepted protection for their pro conscientions objectors were concerned, perty and person under tbol laws of the but an indictment against bur prison country, and yet would not obey the

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The Bishop of Oxford assured the House that a great mass of people en- aged in social service who were not in agreement with conscientious objectors felt a bitterness towards the administra tion of the law. The root mistake of the whole matter was in allowing conscichli the military law. pus objectors to become soldiers liable to

Lord Emmott said he could not see unzuovo the treatment to which a good "subjected at many Quakers, were being the present time. Ten times as may Quakers were now fighting as there, were conscientious objectors

rule every one of these men was sentenced sughter.) a

Curzon said unreasonable as they to two years imprisonment but the thought the attitude of these men, in- clemency which the Army Council or the copskie as they were of understanding Secretary of State was able to exercise it, they resenta as much as anybody the reduced that sentence to what it would idea that there could be anything like be in the cass of an ordinary soldier for | vindictive treatment of men, however

mis

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the prison

of a

rule and that after a certain going and stating his case against render time in prison, and at the discretion or ng any land of service to his country. the Home Secretary, prisoners who con- There were both sides to be looked at ducted themselves well should be brought Take the case of a one man, business, the Owner of which at great sacrifice, under Rule 243 1 which provided

country and special indulgance. It had been said that responded to the call of

Icaring here was no remedy at law for his wife and family practically unpro

went away on military paniened the military law for mided for Were not his

his hardships

Thate

in the hands of be considered (Hear, lear) With re every one, although it

gard to the suggested elasticity in prison might would not take Chose red had a per- fect right at day time to appeal to the proood to put himself into consultation

well be done in that direction. Tribunader to see

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By that was not the case.

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ther they were conscientions objectors, and if the statement thereupon to the House at some tribunal was satisfied on the point, thong

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national, work regretted the that he

bob would

vo

of Crowe suggested had the key inquiry, should be made to whether could be done which would

greation of the rabble low Lord Buckmaster Bebe

verted Derby bad not met the real po Was that owing to misunderst mistakes in the administration

umber of people had been

to military bervice who exempt therefrom, and a largo

(Centinaios ne fact of nest Lolumn.)

of disability on these peppic.

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