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HONGKONG, LEGISLATIVE

COUNCIL.

A meeting of the Hongkong Legislative Council was held yesterday at the Council Chamber:

The following wore present: His EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNON, Six F. H. MAY, K.C.M.G.

H.E. MAJOR-GENERAL Ü. A. ANDERSON, C.B.

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Hoa. Mr. A. M. Tuouson (Colonial Secretary).

Hon. Mr. J. A. 8. Buck, K., (Attorney-General).

Hon. Mr. A. G. M. FLATOHER (Culonial Treasurer).

Hon. Mr. W. CHATHAM, C.M.G. (Diret tor of Public Works).

Hon Mr. ER HALIFAX (Registrar General).

Hon. Mr. C. Mol. MESSER (Captain Superintendent of Police)..

Hon. Sir KAI HO KAI, M.D., C.M.G. Hon. Mr. E. A. HEWERT, U.M.G..

Hon. Mr. Wei Yux, C.M.G.

Hon. Mr. C. MONTAGUE EDE.

Hon. Mr. D. LANDALE.

Hon. Mr. E. SHELLIY.

Mr. C. CLEMENTI (Clork of Councils). MINUTES.

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The minutes of the previous meeting were read and approved.

FINANCIAL MINUTES.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of His Excellency the Governor, laid on the table Financial Minutes Nos, 31 to 35, and moved that they be referred to the Finance Committee.

The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and the motion was agreed to.

FINANCIAL.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. the Governor, Inid on the table the Report of the Finance Commitice, No.6, and moved that it be adopted,

The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the motion was agreed to.

PAPERS.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. the Governor, laid on the table the Report of the Cuplain Superintendent

of Police for the year 1912.

THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, JUND 271n, 1918,

you have to take money and corry it bodily into the country. You have heard of piracies where a large number of coins. and paper money have been sent into the interior for disbursement and payment. If they had exchange banks they would not take, that trouble, and that would diminish the risk of piracy. You cannot now put China on so advanced a footing as other countries which possess exchange banks. You cannot say that it is a matter for the Chinese to learn the way and to establish exchange banks. If these banks were established they would need to establish their credit, and that would take some time.

change them at the native banks or the European banks. It seems to me that the now provisors fail to meet the large requirements of junk people. There a hundreds and thousands of junks coming into the Colony. From the port of departure they reocive, of course, Chinese coin in payment of passage and freight, and en route when they touch various markot towns they receive payment for freight in Chinese coins. They come to the Culony and they do what they have been accustomed to do for long years past, spend that money in the Colony purchasing goods and making other payments, afterwards returning to the interior, taking with them the goods

Hon. Mr. Hewer-I understood the purchased here. Unless soute provision is hon, member to say that these inen bring- inde to enable these junk people to bringing Chinese notes into the Colony ure money into the Colony which has been paid to them and also to have in their possession until such time as they can Exchange it at the money-changer's or banks they will be continually breaking

the law.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Let us dis pose of that point. I think your point will be met by grunting an annual licence in general terins.

Hon. Sir Ku Ho Ka-By the Colonial Secretary or the Harbour Master 7

The "OLONIAL SECRETARY-The Colonial Secretary would grant the annual licence in general terms to truding junks.

just as likely to be rubbed as if they brought British money. If these men come from a distance they pass towns where they can exchange their money for Hongkong money, and if they come from close by they will have no difficulty in getting Hongkong money.

Hon. Sir Ka Ho Ka-1 am informed that it is not so. There is great difficulty. in obtaining Hongkong money, because it is at a premium in the country.

Hon. Mr. Ex-Would it get over, the difficulty if you left out "importation ?- and simply say “circulation "?

HIS EXCELLENCY-No. That would Hon. Sir Ka Hu Kai-That will meet the open the door far too wide. The iden point. Another case is that of the is to prohibit importation except under travelling trader.

There are 4 large number of market towne in China, and licence, and I go as far as this to say that the Government will issue a certain there being no exchange banks, a great many travelling traders come into the number of licences after due inquiry. We would not issue a licence to a man doing Colony to purchase goods. They are either agents for Chinese firms in the business with Canton, because he could exchange money in Canton. If we are interior or they are commission agents themselves. They come into the Colony satisfied that he is doing business with places where there are no exchange bringing a certain amount of foreign facilities the applicant will he granted a mony to secure their purchates, paying so much in the shape of bargain money, licence. If these permits are infringed. as the firms here could not trust them he becomes liable to the penaltics ander with credit to the full amount. These the Ordinance. We cannot undertake to deposits are paid in Chinese money. In issue an indiscriminate number. We inust many places there are no exchange banks, issue them with circumspretion so as to 1a Canton, of course, some of the foreign meet the requirements of the trade,

Hon. Sir KA Ho KA-I wish to have banks have established agencies, but even if native firms were to establish exchange the point clear that the licence is to any banks in places where there are none very proper fun to cover travelling traders little· credit would be paid to them.

on their agents whe come into the Colony.. matter of fact, these traders come into

His EXCELLENCY The licence will

As a

EDUCATIONAL CHARGES. The Governor recommended the Council to voto a sum of 8008 in aid of the vote Education, A-Department of Director of Education:-

PERSONAL EMOLUMENTS,

INTIMATIONS

FINANCE COMMITTEE: A was administered by His Majesty's Judges. One of these maxims was that a man, so A meeting of the Finance Committee long as he was upon the territory of His Was heid afterwards, Abe COLONIAL Majcety the King. be ho German, or SECRETARY presiding. The following Greek, or Portuguese, or Filipino, should votes were passed :---

not be made bo incriminate himself, and in this case he said the prisoner had been mado to incriminate" himself.. After tracing the dealings of Weigall and Li, the Chinese police clork, with the accused, Counsel said that it became necessary to make accused guilty of this crime, and get him to make impressions which could be scized before they were utterly destroyed, and therefore Li and Weigall specifically asked the accused to make impressions of Hongkong notes, and it was arranged that they should be delivered on the fol

80 lowing evening. They were produced on

MUCH that evening as por arrangement, damp

confidence in our Coffee and smelling of vil of clores, when the because we know the extreme to vote a sum of $2,576 in aid of the vistajesty of the law stepped in in the form thought and care that go into the of Inspector Watt's boot, planted between making of every pound. The

Director of Education.

a Student Interpreters, at 8120 per annum caeli from June to December

OTHER CHANGES.

Director of Education.

Incidental Expenses

Total

8630.

68

..$698

HOSPITAL CHARGES. The Governor recemmended the Council

Medical Departments, B.-Hospitals and Asylumis

Personal Emoluments, Civil Hos pital, Second Assistant Analyst at £360 per annum from: 2nd June to 31st December Other Charges, Civil Hospital, Conveyance Allowance at $360 per annuni for same period

Tatal

POLICE CHARGES.

$2,367

200

$2,576

The Governor recommended the Council to vote a sum of $10,800 in aid of the vote Police and Prison Departments, A. Police, Other Charges:—

Furniture

Incidental Expenses Launches and Boats Storrs Secret Service... Subsistence of Prisoners

Total

$ 300 1,200 2,500 6,000 800

$10,800

COMPENSATION TO THE TRAMWAY COMPANY.

The Governor recommended the Council

to vote a sum of $15,248 in aid of the vote Miscellaneous Services, Compensation to the Hongkong Tramway Co., Ltd.

The CHARMAN-You will recollect that at the meeting before last explained that $30,000 then voted was on account and that the Secretary of State was consider ing the basis on which the payment should be made. Apparently he has approved of the method by which we arrived at the assument for compensation, which is on the basis of a five per cent, dividend. THE REGISTRAR-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT. The Governor recommended the Council

the door and the door past. Accused was

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found in passession of the goods which watchful selection of berries, the were the backbone of this charge, and thorough double cleaning, the which the police spies and employees perfect blend and the exact specifically asked accused to make. He roasting combine to give you did not know what view the jury took such deliciousness as, we believe, about it, but the view he (Counsel) took no other Coffee has ever attained, -"LOTUS" COFFEE

about it--not only as the prisoner's adver cate, not only as a member of the Bar, as a member of the profession whose pri vilege it was to assist His Majesty's Judges to administer the law, but as man to man-was that the action of the police in this case did not redound to their credit: Counsel declared that he had nover heard of a man in Bribish territory being tempted to incriminate bimself and then being put on his trial for doing something which the police had got him. to do by telling him untruths, and making falso statements to him, Prisoner was placed in the dock by a man who had admitted he was an ex-convict, and whose character was so low that hr betrayed his companion

His Lordship said the police had acted in a perfectly bona-fiile manner on repre sentations made to them by Weigall. They knew nothing about Weigall at the time, or whether it was correct or not.

Mr. Jenkia, proceeding, submitted that

nothing which Hauler did at the instiga- tion of the police could be a crime within the meaning of the law. Weigell betrayed the accused-they did not know why, All.

OFFICIAL SIGNATURE FEES ORDINANCE, 191

THE ATTORNEY-GiexenAL moved the first reading of a Bill cutitled, "An Ordinance to amend the Official Signatures Fees the Colony with notes, which is. I think. I cover the agent. He will have to show to vote a sum of $250 in aid of the vote they knew was that Weigall's virtue and Ordinance, 1888."

just as undesirable as the coin, or coins. This authority or produce the licence. We Registrar-General's Department, Special high standard of morality seemed to bo

The COLONIAL SECRETARY Péconded, and the Bill was read a first time.

Bill are:

The object of this Bill in to mild to the list of officers authorized to charge n fee when their signature is required for any purpose by the public. Occasions occur which the official signatures of the officers in question are requisite.

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are prepared to recognise, firms,

Hon. Sir KM Ho Ka-The agents of accredited armis, coming into the Colony? Hou. Mr. WEL Yun---Constituente

both of which we want to prevent fron The Objects and Reasons attached to the circulating in the Colony. It would be a very great injury to the trade of this Colony it, no provision were introduced", to enable these travelling traders to bring rather. into the Colony a certain amount of HIS EXCELLENCY-You cannot issue a foreign: coin as long as that money is licence that will recognise an indefinite prevented from circulating in the Colony. constituency. You cannot allow the

HIS EXCELLENCY-That will be a matter for permit, too. We must keep track of the money that is brought in. It would not be any good to allow any general trader to bring in any amount of money. We would not know when he is bringing it in or how-

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY moved the third reading of a Bill ontitled, "An Ordinance to authorize the Appropriation of a Supplementary sum of thirty thou wand six hundred and nine dollars and fifty-seven cents, to defray the charges of the year 1912. In doing so he said- I have to report to the Council that the Finance Committee recommended that the Bill should be passed without amendment. In these circumstances I beg to move the third rending.

The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, und¦ the Bill was read a third time and passed.

FOREIGN SILVER AND NICKEL COIN

ORDINANCE.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY moved that the Council go into Committee on the Bill entitled, "Au Ordinance to prohibit the importation and circulation of certain foreign coins."

Hon Sir KAI Ho Kai--Could we not make an arrangement with these firma and graut them a licence to cover these traders coming in 1

The COLONIAL SHERESARY-A geral licence issued to the firm would cover any transactions of that kind, Hon. Sir KA HO KA-

of that.

was not aware

trader to bring in money unless you have means of checking it. If there are these people coming and if they satisfy us it is. necessary for them to have a licence, wo nay issue them a licence.

HE. the GENERAL-The licence would be to the individual 2.

HIK EXCELLENCY-Yes.

Hon. Mr. HEWETT-Surely these men are well known. They are doing business in a large way. They ought to be able to gt any credit they want from these foreign banks in Canton and elsewhere.

Hon. Sir Kai Ho Kai-These men come from long distances in the interior.

Hon. Mr. WE YUK-There are places The COLONIAL SECRETARY-We cannot in the interior where no exchange could put too much detail in the Bill.

be effceted. Hon. Sir KA Ho Ka-If I have your Hon. Sir Ka Ho Ka-Though I am assurance that a licence to a firm will as anxious as any hon, tieraber to prevent include such transactions I think the foreign coin and foreign notes circulating in the Colony, it would be a pity to Chinese merchants will be satisfied.

restrict the great and growing trade of the Colony by introducing too striet a measure to attain that purpose, and 1 think if a respectable firm in the Colony business were to give a certain guarantee you and in n very short time they would could then issue licences to cover their lean that foreign coins are not admitted agents for collecting debts in the interior in the Colony. Surely there would be no paid in Chinese coin and also for their

clients coming into the Colony. difficulty up-country in getting any

Hon. Mr. HEWETT-With regard to what the hon. learned and senior un The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and official member has said about these the motion was agreed to.

travelling traders, presumably these men On clanse 4.

aw regularly engaged

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The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said-It is pro posed to alter this cluase considerably. It is proposed to call the present clause sub-section 1 and to insert the two follow ing sub-sections:-(2) The provisions of quantity of Hongkong subsidiary coin this section shall not apply to any coin and Hongkong bank-notes. Three should imported under a licence in writing be got just as easy as Chinese coins and under the hand of the Colonial Secretary. Chinese notes. It is very desirable that FLS those Every such licence shall specify the terms

special permits such upon which such coin shall be imported suggested should be limited to the smallest (3) If any person importing coin under number possible. I cannot see that it is any such licence fails to comply with any accessary to extend this concession to of the terms of such licence he shall be traders who are regularly dealing between liable summary conviction to the Lue the mainland and Hongkong. It might and forfeiture to which he would have be recessary in the case of junks that some bren Table if the licence had not been such permit be provided, but not in the Kranted.

case of traders. If we give these con- Hon. Sir Kai Ho Ka-I think the sub-cessions we shall be asked for many others, sections so far as they go will introduce You are practically cutting the ground an immance improvement, but it seems from under the feet of this Bill to me that they fail to meet all the cases of hardship and difficulty I have in my mind. Of course the licence can be a permanent or a temporary one, and can be applied for by those firms in thisus amount of trouble to the Government

to keep track of this money. Colony who expect to have coin of all kind coming from the interior just as the shipping companies receive freight and passage money from Canton and other places in Chinese silver. They can apply for a special licence to bring these coins into the Colony, and afterwards they can

HIS EXCELLENCY-Not with the money that is not put into circulation.

Hon. Mr. HEWETT It means an enorm-

Hon. Sir Kar Ho Ki-I think the hon.

member who represents the Chamber of Commerce has missed the point. Here in China we are different to any other country. In all European countries you find exchange banks and other kinds of facilities for trading, but here in China

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-The Bill will come into operation on 1st March, 1914.

HIS EXCELLENCE The Bill should be left in Committee until it has been re- printed.

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SUPREME COURT.

Thursday, June 28th.-

IN CRIMINAL JURISDICTION.

BEFORE THE CHIEF JUSTICE (SIR WM. REES DAVIES, K.C.)"

THE BANK-NOTE CASE,

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The Attorney-General, replying for the prosecution, observed that he could not say that as a general rule be approved of "traps," but he could tell the jury that in his experience in uther Colonies it was absolutely necessary some time to employ persons for the purpose of entrap- ping suspects. It was very frequently THE PRICE OF THE HOWARD done-especially in South Africa, where illicit diamond dealing prevailed, which, as a rule, was only checked by investiga- tion of this character. If they could believe only a little of the evidence, the accused could not be described as a poor, harinless, wandering foreigner. He asked the jury to dismiss from their minds Saltogether the question of the police trap.

All they had to address themselves to

Anton Hauler, a Hungarian subject, was indicted on charges of being in unlawful possession of certain paper and material for impressing and making imitations of bank-notes.

Prisoner pleaded not guilty. The Attorney-General (Hon. Mr. J. A. Bucknill, K.C.), prosecuted, and Mr. F. Cl Jenkin (instructed by Mr. B. C. Faith fully defended. Me, W. E, L. Shenton watched the case on behalf of the Chartered Bank.

The following were the jury-Messrs. W. G. Worcester (foréman), H. F. Barcos, E. W. White, A. I. Uschmann, J. H. Underwood, and F. M. Garcia.

Mr. Frank Browne, the Government analyst, continued his evidence. He was handed three bundles of paper, and said one of them contained blotting paper, the paper in the second was similar to that witness used in obtaining the first in- pression, and the third was a kind of parchment paper, such as was used for Bank notes, He agreed with Mr. Jenkin the ordinary Hongkong and Shanghai that the chemicals found in accused's possession could be used for ordinary domestic purposes,

really was the question whether prisoner was guilty of these charges.

His Lordship summarised to the jury the salient features of the case.

The jury retired just before one o'clock, and did not return till 50 minutes later, when the Foreman announced that the They had jury were equally divided. grit difficulty, he said, in defining the meaning of the word "resemble" in the They bad come to the indictment. conclusion that the man was in possession of these impressions.

His Lordship What are they intended to resemble? You must take into con- sideration the statements of the accused to the Crown witnesses at the time he did The jury again retired, and unanimously the experiment. found the prisoner guilty.

Mr. Jenkia moved for an afrcat of judgment en a legal pole and his Lord- ship decided to hear him in Chambers on Saturday..

FURLIGNERS.'

HIS EXCELLENCY-All I can say is that.

Mr. Jenkin, addressing, the jury for the licences will be distributed as far as

the defence, observed that when barristers possible to meet individual cases. The clauses were then passed.

commenced to learn their profession theyARREST OF A TATTOOER IN JAPAN, Artendments to clauses 7 and 10 were were told by people for whom they had

THE PROTECTION agreed to.

to devil that if they had a rotten case to abuse their adversaries. He was

It has been known to the police for soma going to say something which might be me that a barber named Ueta Tamezo, in the nature of abuse, but he would not living it Tetnon-dori, Kobe, was carrying strictly abuse his adversary, the Attorney on the Profession of tattooing amon

foreigne s, and be was watched accord- General, because he came into the dus

ingly.

the. He was apprehended on after the circumstances had arisen about. | Sete which he wanted to do was goingement on Wednesday afternoon (11th stant) carrying with him two books of to deal with the action of the police in

specimens of pictures and a number of At the Kobe Police- this matter, and he asked the jury not tattooing needles.

station le confessed that in February last think he was going to do that becau had a "rotten ere. He wor

he had tattooed a foreigner, who had id deal paid bin Y3.50. It is very paternal of with the case

terwards. He⠀⠀

was loath the police to protect the foreign com

munity in this way, but something might to say anythi ng against the police of this be said in favour of letting anybody who Colony, bi of sper

Council then resumed.

FOREIGN NOTES (PROHIBITIOS OF

CIRCULATION), ORDINANCE.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY moved that the Council go into Committee on the Bill entitled,

An Ordinance to prohibit the circulation of foreign notes:"

The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and

the motion was agreed to.

The committee decided that the Bill should come into operation on 1st August,

1913.

On Council resuming,

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL reported that the Bill had passed through committe

without amendment, and moved the th reading

The COLONIAL SECRETARY Second the Bill was read a third time a HIS EXCELLENCY -- Council journed unil this day forto

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ut when he was in the position chose to indulge in this barbarous custom ing for a man who was in the take his chance of the effects. There are and whose liberty was, more or less, more deadly dangers than the tattooer which the police do little to protect any- the hands of the jury, then it became about especially sanitary dangers-from his duty, despite whatever affection he body.aper Chronicle. might have for the police, to say, what he thought about their action. He would

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