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COUNCIL.

The following were present:

SEVERN.

Secretary).

tor of Public Works).

:

Hon. Mr. E. R. HALLIFAX (Registrar General).

Hon. Captain F. J. BADELEY (Captain Superintendent of Police).

best to get it. In all these years in Hong- Hun, Mr. REES DAVIES, K.C. (Attorney-kong, I have never seen such an applica- General).

tion come before the Legislative Council Hon. Mr. A. M. THOMSON (Colonial of Hongkong.

It is due, sir, largely to Treasurer).

his persistence and, I may say, to his excas. Hon. Mr. W. CHATHAM, C.M., (Direceive importunity, that this vote has come so far. I think the principle is thoroughly unsound. It is wrong that the Legislative Council should, in one single instanco, go outside the four corners of the liberal allowance in the Civil Service rules. Yet here we are asked to break from these rules for the one official who, next to the Governor himself, should be the last per son to ask for an increase in his pension, and saddle the ratepayers of Hongkong with a sum of £60 a year, simply because Mr. R. H. CROFTON (Clerk of Councils) wall the arguments which will be brought we are asked to do so. I know perfectly forward, and I am therefore more or less The minutes of the previons meeting prepared for some of them. It will prob-

THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, TUESDAY, APRIL 16ru, 1012.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY--Sir, when HIS EXCELLENCY-Does the hon. mem-1 LEGISLATIVE the greater number are subordinate off the Government was not that if this Ordi

cials, many of them with thirty, thirty-five nance had not been passed he would have the resolution which stands in my name ber for Kowloon wish to speak! or even forty years' service to their credit. been entitled to the pension which is proof inst December, Sir F. Lugard decided nothing to say except to echo the words was discussed in this Council on the 28th Hon. Mr. OsnoBNE-No, sir, I have If any of these subordinate officials posed. One of the reasons which had to postpone a vote upon it in the hope of the Colonial Secretary.

I do not pre- A meeting of the Hongkong Logislative brought forward arguments or a mathe. actuated the Government in proposing this that, although the design which I had the tend even to the artistic temperament of Council was held yesterday at the Councilmatical problem by which he showed that increase to the pension of Sir Francis Pigg1st of that month did not commend itself glomeration of bales of goods, junk masta, honour to lay upon this table on Wapping, but I do think that the con- if he retired a little later, he would be gott was the following: It is the usual to my unofficial friends in this Chamber, the Peak Tramway and the various other entitled to an increase of 12 per cent, to

custom in the public service to grant an residents in the Colony might have an articles in the present flag. are certainly his pension, I am sure the Government officer three months' long leave on full opportunity of suggesting new designe artistic and very difficult to reproduce. HIS EXCELLENCY THE OFFICES ADMINISwould not consider his application favour-salary prior to his retirement. This line which might meet with general favour. There is a want of dignity about it, sir. TERING THE GOVERNMENT, Hon. Mr. CLAUD ably. If, however, these subordinate off the effect of increasing his period of ser- Hongkong did design a new badge. It if the Colonial Secretary's resolution were As a fact a young lady now resident in and I consider that it would be improved cials saw their way clear to obtain an in vice by three months and in many cases it consisted of a naval anchor and a Chinese adopted by this Council, Hon. Mr. C. CLEMENT (Colonial crease, if any opening was given them to has the effect of increasing the number of grapnel crossed underneath the Imperial resolution on the last occasion when it Hon. Mr. C. H. Ross I opposed this obtain it, they would certainly try their years of his pension by one year, therope and artistic. Sir F. Lugard approved it, came up, and I did so, not because I

British Crown. The design was simple enabling in many cases a considerable and by his direction the design was admire the present badge, but because I addition to be made to the pension which circulated for the inspection of all mem-have a great respect for antiquity. The is ealculated upon the basis of a certain bers of the Executive and Legislative Colonial Secretary just now has said that salary. In the case of Sir Francis Piggott, decided by a majority of 8 to 5 that the be going back on what the Legislative Councila. Hon. members, however, if we continue our prenant flag, we will it has not been possible to grant him leave existing badge of the Colony should be Council of 1860 disapproved. That is some on full pay, and if the three months to retained and that it was undesirable to forty three years ago, a considerable space which I have referred had been given in change it. I confess that this decision of time. I do not think the present badge his case it would have had the effect of was a great surprise to me, and before is artistic, but still it has the dignity of increasing his pension by the sun which accepting it as final I would like to give age, and with a small improvement, as the Government is now asking, namely, origin of the existing badge as recorded an artistic pagoda or a junk, with the hon. members a short account of the suggested on the last occasion, such as £53 11. 2d. That weighed with the Conn-in the archives of my departments It Peak in the background, would meet the cil, and the further fact that this case will would appear that in the spring of 1800, 646. Two anchors crossed are certainly not be taken as a precedent has led the the Crown Agents for the Colonies very pretty, but I do not see what con Government to recommend the granting of approached an oilman at Wapping with nection they have with Hongkong. this extra sum.

the request that he would design a badge, Hon. Mr. HEWETT-With regard to what for the Colonial flag of Hongkong. Any hon. friend, the previous speaker, has economical bargain was driven and for aaid, I entirely endorse his proposal. fee of some £3 the existing badge of the When the question came up in the Coun Colony was painted. It was then set incil, I played a lone hand, as it were, in as the flag of the Colony, Local opinion the flag was invented it might have been a blue ensign and sent out to Hongkong opposing any change. I admit that when was not consulted, and it seems that the more artistic, but it was descriptive of artistic feelings of the community Hongkong as it was shortly after the flag received a rude shock when the new flag was hoisted here. I do not think any was first unfurled. The then Governor, unhallowed hand should be allowed to Sir Richard Graves, Macdonnell, brought tear down any monument of those historic the matter before his Executive Council, days. It is said that the old design of which had no hesitation in recording the the Peak on the shield is inartistic. That opinion that the flag was both in design I refuse to admit. Any of us who have and execution extremely defective," seen a Hongkong bank note will we that Accordingly Sir Richard on the 3rd July, it makes quite a good steel engraving pro-ville, at that time Secretary of State for great stress on the fact that in ancient 1680, addressed a protest to Lord Gran The Hon. the Colonial Secretary has laid the Colonies. He wrote: As the design days, in 1889, certain officials and un- seems to have been compiled by an oilman officials appeared to agree that the flag at Wapping for about £3, a specimen of was inartistic, but he has produced abstract merits of the flag, it is the wish whole world has advanced very much in the highest art could not well have been nothing later to show that the flag in looked for. Apart, however, from the inartistic. What we know is that the of the Council and of every one who has artistic training, and whereas in 1860 the expressed an opinion here on the subject, whole of the Council might have been that your Lordship should direct some opposed to the artistic merits of the flag, fresh and more suitable design to be we have been so far educated that we substituted. It has heen suggested that find the great proportion of the present in lieu of the gentleman in an evening Council in favour of the flag as it stands.

Hon. Mr. Wai YUK, C.M.G., Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLOCK, K.C Hon, Mr. E. A. HEWETT, C.M.G. Hon. Mr. C. E. Ross.

Hon. Mr. E. OSBORNE.

MINGTES.

were read and approved.

FINANCIAL

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of His Excellency the Governor, laid on the table the report of the Finance Com mittee (No. 2), and moved its adoption. The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded.

THE CHIEF JUSTICK'S FUNSION. The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of His Excellency the Governor, laid on the table Financial Minutes No. 14 to 18, and moved that they be referred to the Finance Committee.

The COLONIAL TREASURER Seconded. Hon Mr. JEWETT-Your Excellency, with regard to Financial Minute No. 16, as i have pointed out to your Excellency,

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HIS EXCELLENCY-In favour of this vote? Hon. Mr. HEWETT-I would like to ask a poll on this question.

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-Ou a point of order, this is not an amendment which is moved by my hon. friend, but a direct negativo.

HIS EXCELLENCY-It is an amendment to the motion.

Hon. Mr. HEWET-I was informed last week that it would be in order if I brought the matter forward in the particular way in which I have done.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-I submit it is

amendment. It is an amendment per to the original motion.

ably be said that if this official had served a few years longer he would have deserved this vote: On the other hand, for reasons best known to himself, this official did not join the Service until eighteen years ago. Most of the Chief Justices who served in the Colony were men who probably spent thirty, or even forty, years in the Governan

late in life, when it suited him. Another ment service. This official only joined argument is, that, having taken up this position when he did, he found this sixty years' age limit forced upon him. not admit that argument for a moment. Outside of Hongkong and one or two other Colonies, the sixty years' age limit has been in force in most of the British

I do

Hon. Mr. OSBORNE With your Excel lency's permission, I would like to remark perfectly open mind on this subject, and J seconded the motion purely as a matter of form. Having heard the arguments on both sides, I shall not vote in favor of

that when I came into the room I had a

the amendment.

The vote was then taken, the Hon. Mr.

Colonies for a number of years. To sug Howest alone supporting the amendment, coat who is purchasing tea on the beach No proposal has been put forward which

I propose to oppose this vote, and I gest that it is a hardship for him to fall which was thus defeated by 1 votes to I.

absurd. Looking at the fact that we are within the four corners of this new rule is asked to give practically 13 payments instead of the twelve to which he is en- titled, in view of his high position and large salary, and from the few years he has served in the Colony, I think it would be a wrong principle to break away from the rules of the Civil Service regarding pensions, and make this grant which, I am perfectly certain, if it had been brought forward by a subordinate official of this Colony would have been turned down. I strongly protest against this vote. I told your Excellency that it would be better if the discussion took place in the full Council instead of at the Committee meet.

WINDING UP OF COMPANIES.

of H.E. the Officer Administering the Gov

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command ernment, laid on the table Rules made by Companies Ordinance, 1911, as to fees pay the Chief Justice under section 220 of the able in respect of the winding up of con panies. He added The matter is urgent.. the winding up of companies and no provi- The Official Receiver is concerned with ion has been made for his remuneration.

move that the rules be approved. The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the motion was agreed to

THE FINEST SITE IN THITE COLONY,

motto

HIS EXCELLENCY I must say that I am

The COLONIAL SECRETARY--I beg leave to withdraw the resolution.

GENERAL REVISION ORDINANCE, 1912. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL Moved the fret

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would rather make such remarks as I have

at Kowloon, an unusual place for such in any way compares with the old flag. transactions, it would be more agreeable, I must say that I have never yet dis- to make in the full Council than in France

foreground were occupied by the well- the flag, and I have been a resident in the to the feelings of the commanity if the covered any suggestion of a tramway on Committee. The vote before us is for

known figure of Britannia with the Colony for thirty years. £37 0s. ad. wader the head" Pension for Chief Justice." The unofficial members of

the British flag. It is suggested that in not enamoured of the present badge of the British Lion lying beside her and near such case the shield might bear either the Colony; it came out three months before the Legislative Council have not as yet been officially informed of the details of

might decide. I admit that in the design cannot get any member to agree to Caelum non “animum mutant I was born. It has, however, the merit this proposed vote, but I find from per

or the Royal Arms, as your Lordship of antiquity. The difficulty is that we WATCHMAKERS, sonal inquiries made that most, it not all

of the enclosed far there is a certain anything else, and therefore I am afraid of the unofficial members

are fully

unpleasant resemblance to a portion of we shall have to stick to it. acquainted with the details of the case

the present arms of the Colony, but I This, I understand, practically amounts

respectfully submit that the opportunity to a permanent increase in the pension of

ing questions standing in bis name:

The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK asked the follow. is not unfavourable for considering whe ther the Arms themselves now borne on the Chief Justice over and above the

With reference to the matshed, which is the seal of the Colony are not capable of persion, to which he is entitled under the

being put up on the plot of land to the improvement. That, however, which is terms of his service in the Government. The sum in itself does not seem to be a ling. I beg, therefore, to move the reier- ourable the Director of Public Worka seal seems quite unsuitable to the larger which have ceased to be in force or have

West of the Hongkong Club, will the Hon-appropriate on the smaller surface of the field of the flag.. Again on the 27th December, 1869, Sir Richard wrote Lord Granville:"The flag of present assigned to the Colony is capable of great and easy improvement, and in fact that it is wholly unsuitable, as the device, though not strikingly out of good taste when put on a medal or a seal, becomes obviously so when occupying the larger field of a flag. Such at least is the opinion of myself and my Council as well The Standing Orders were suspended, as of every one else whom I have hitherto and the Bill was passed through all its heard speaking on the subject. I have stages and read a third time. even referred the matter again to my

very large on

HIS EXCELLENCY--Does any one second the motion?

Hon. Mr. HEWETT-I don't know, sir. Hon. Mr. OanoENE-As a matter of foria, I beg to second it.

HIS EXCELLENCY- Does any member wish. to address the Council!

state:-

(1) Who is erecting the said matshed; (2) For what purpose the said mat- shed is being erected and subject to what terms and conditions;

(3.) For what reason the said matshed contains two stories;

(4.) Whether any rent is to be paid by anybody, and, if so, by whom, for the use and occupation of the said matshed; (5.) Whether it is intended that any and, if so, how many, coolies and/or workmen should be housed in the said matshed, and for what reason or ret Bons:

(6.) If the said matshed is being erected in connection with the carrying out of any Public Work, what is the na ture of such Public Work, and what is the contract-time and contract-price for the completion of the same;

(7.) Why are bricks, being piled up on the ground to the North of the said matshed!

as follows:-

The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS replied

(1.) The shed is being erected by Kang On, contractor.

QUALITY

DIAMOND JEWELLERY

reading of a Bill entitled, "An Ordinance for promoting the General Revision of FINEST the Law by repealing certain enactments become unnecessary, by amending certain other enactments which stand in argent need thereof, and by incorporating cer- tain amending Ordinances in their respective principal Ordinances, and for repealing Ordinance No. 40 of 1911, and replacing it by a new Ordinance."

The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded, and the motion was agreed to.

BILLS PASSED.

A SPECIALITY..

ENGLISH, AMERICAN AND SWISS

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GOLD AND SILVER

WATCHES.

of all descriptions.

Council, and they unanimously recor The Ordinance to provide for the de- mend a change of the device in the flag to portation of undesirable aliens was read a something of the same idea and character third time, as was also the Ordinance | CLOCKS as that which I ventured to submit to amending the law relating to Dangerous your Lordship in my despatch No. 734 of Goode, and the Ordinance prohibiting the July last. He added, "I may say that, importation and circulation of foreign however pleased we might be to obtain a copper and bronze coins. flag with a more tasteful device, our principal object is to get rid of that which at present appears to be decidedly obnoxious." On the 5th May, 1870, Lord Granville replied:-"I have the honour to inform you that not being satished with the designs for a Colonial Flag for Hong- kong which have been submitted to me,

POSTPONED,

Ordinances was left in Committee...

The Ordinance to amend the Magistrates

FINANCE COMMITTEE.

passed:--

A meeting of the Finance Committee I have decided that the best course will was held afterwards the Colonial B:cre be to adopt for use in the Colony aary presiding The following votes were pattern somewhat similar to that which

EMPLOYING, A DETECTIVE. has been selected by the Governor of New Zealand, viz.: a blue ensign with a whitement recommended the Council to vote a The Officer Administering the Govern- crown over the initial letters of the

We are asked now totion of this vote. vote £37. Ds. d. to this additional vote for the year 1912 The Chief Justice retires at the end of this month, conse- quently the additional rote asked for is presumably for two-thirds of the year. Having once admitted the principle that this official is entitled by the special vote of the Legislature to draw a larger pension. Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-Sir, I can't agree than be would do if he retired under with what has fallen from my hon. friend ordinary conditions, and drawn the ordi- opposite who represents the Chamber of nary pension to which he is entitled by Commerce. I think, sir, the circumstances service and the pay draws during, then this particular case are very excep term of his service. if we once pass this tional. There is no doubt that if the vote we practically admit an increase to learned Chief Justice had served a few the pension of the Chief Justice. Having months longer he would have been entitled once passed this vote, we will be then to the extra pension which it is proposed called upon to pass a vote of $50 or £60 to vote to him. I think there-would be no a year for the rest of the lifetime of the doubt also that in the aormal course of Chief Justice, which we trust will be events as they would have occurred in the many, many years Your Excellency, the circumstances which existed when he point I wish to make is this, that the vote

came to the Colony that the learned Chief is being suddenly put before the Legisla Justice would have served these few extr

(2) The matshed is being erected sa ture Council, and we are asked to increase months and that he would have earned.

a shelter for workmen who will be The pension of the second highest paid this additional pension. But, air, as the

employed-in-dressing stone in conner official in the Colony, who has only served hon. member opposite has pointed out.

tion with the contract for the erection of railings to enclose the areas to be for seven years, by 12 per cent. that is to since the learned Judge arrived in this

laid out as gardens. The permit issued say, this official, if he retired from the Colony a special Ordinance has been pais-

is for the period ending 30th instant. service on his sixtieth birthday, as Ied enabling certain officials of this Colony

It will be renewed as required. The Colony. The Crown Agents have been in sum of one thousand three hundred and understand he is doing, would be entitled.

permit is for one large shed to be used formed of my decision, and in accordance sixty-seven dollars ($1.367) in aid of the to be retired at the age of 90, and if that

as a shelter and three small sheds for with it will forward to something like £450 from the Hongkong Ordinance had not been passed since this

supply of flags of ]. vote Treasury, Treasurer's Office, office, kitchen and latrine purposes. The that pattern for the service of the Gor Personal Emoluments, European Detec Colony, but he is retiring after only appointment was taken up, the Chief

sides of the large shed towards Con ernment of Hongkong." Then for some

tive for protection of revenue under eighteen years' service in the Government Justice would without doubt have served

aught toad and the Hongkong. Club reason which cannot be traced in my Stamp, Liquor and other Ordinances. are to be close-boarded and the remain archives the whole matter appears suddenl employ, with a pension considerably over the additional three months and earned

ing sides are to be open. The only conly to have fallen into abeyance. The new ment recommended the Council to vote a The Officer Administering the Govern- £700 a year--a pension something like the pension. I quite agree with my hon.

dition is that these sheds may not be flags were never sent out and the existing sum of four thousand three hundred and doable that of a Colonel, who often serves friend opposite as to the danger of erent-

used for habitation.

dag remained as ar enduring witness to forty years and risks his life for his coun-

(3.). No permission has been given for the artistic standards of Wapping. That, twenty dollars (84,320) in aid of the vote the erection of a two-storied shed. Before sir, is the history of our present badge.

Public Works, Extraordinary, Miscel try. This official, I repeat, has only beening a precedent, but I think the cireum- in the Colony seven years, and in the.

stances of this particular case are quite these questions reached me the Con In 1869 the Governor, the Executive aneous. Miscellaneous Works.

tractor had been instructed to remove Conneil, the Community of Hongkong

ONLEP JUSTICE'S PENSION. Government service 18 years, yet is re-exceptional, and in the circumstances this

the super-structure intended for an and the Secretary of State for the Colonies ment recommended the Council to vote

The Officer Administering the Govern- tiring on a pension considerably over £700 vote should be passed by the Council.

upper storey, Hon Mr. Ross-I generally listen to the

agreed in condemning the badge which sum of four hundred and twenty-four a year.

We are now asked to increase hon, member for the Chamber of Com-

bad bean foisted upon us willy nilly by dollare (£37 Us. d. at 18. 9d.-8424) in hid pension by over twelve per cent.

the then Crown Agents. If it is the case aid of the Head Pensions, 4.-Civil, all know perfectly well that any of us en-

merce with respect, but on this occasion I

to-day that a complete volte face has taken Pension of the Chief Justice. titled to retire on a pension would be very cannot agree with him at all. I think he

place, and that the community has at last educated itself up to Wapping glad indeed on retiring, instead of getting is allowing his ideas of principle to over- The Chief twelve monthly payments, to get thirteen ride his sense of justice

standards of fine art, then I have no more to say and I can only beg for leave to and a half. This is what we are practical-Justice, as I understand, came here ander

withdraw, the resolution now standing in my name. But I find it hard to believe ly asked to do. We are asked to increase-certain-rules, and if-these-rules existed be his pension by close on £60 a year. I would have been entitled to this pension

that this is so, for I am reluctant to think cannot conceive any sound reason why A few months hence, but a change in the

that it is only a minority in this Council this vote should be passed. I certainly rules having been made. That is not his

1969 in considering the existing badge to-day which agrees with the Council of ars, on principle, very strongly opposed fault. I would like to support everything

"decidedly obnoxious." I do not at the to it. Whatever arguments for or against which the Hon. Mr. Pollock has said. Colony is not only inartistic but it is un- moment press for the adoption of any may be brought forward, I would ask your HIS EXCELLENCY-Before--putting the suitable for reproduction specially on particular new design, but I do press for Excellency to be good enough to pass the amendment which has been proposed by flags, etc., and resolved therefore that the an expression of opinion by this Council discussion on this vote direct to the See the hon. member who represents the Cham-design laid on the table, being both that the existing badge is extremely de- ment recommended the Council to vote & retary of State. We have a very large ber of Commerce, I would like to inform simpler and more artistic, be substituted. fective both in design and in execution sum of one thousand three hundred dollars Extraordinary, Buildings, Lighthousə Civil Service in Hongkong, and by far him that the reason which weighed with therefor on a date to be hereafter notified and that a fresh and more suitable design (1,300) in aid of the Vote Public Works,

in the Government Gazette.

and Quarters, Kap Sing Island.

We

(4.) No rent is to be paid. (5.) No coolies or workmen will be allowed to live in the shed, but this does not apply to watchman.

(6.) The first part of this question has been answered "above. Contract time 7 months from 4th March, 1912. The amount of the contract is 811,290.25.

(7.) The bricks are for building

kitchen and latrine for the workmen.

THE BADGE OF THE

The Council then corded the follow ing resolution standing in the name of the Resolved that the existing badge of the

Colonal Secretary-

should be substituted for it.

MISCELLANEOUS.

The CHAIRMAN-It has been debated in Council.

Hon. Mr. HEWETT-Will you report my objection t

The CHAIRMAN Certainly.

PORT OFFICE. The Officer Administering the Govern ment recommended the Council to vote a sid of the vote Public Works, Extra- sum of four thousand dollars ($4,000) in ordinary, Buildings, Post Offee.

KAP BING LIGHTHOUSE. The Officer Administering the Govern

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