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THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 1908.

A certain make the All the trees are between the pathway and the houses, and the tramway will be on the further side of the pathway from the houses, as that if the trees interpose between the pathway and the houses they must interpose between the tramway and the houses -Ta s certain extent.

Anybody could stand in that pathway and look into the houses as much as they pleased Yest

Is your opinion would they make sufficient, tramway would I don't think so. moins to distract the attention of persons in the number of trees must be cut down to

tramway. cathedral P-I should think so.

Will this noise be continuous P-As long as the cara are running the vibration of the trestle eased by the rope running over the pulleys will be continuous.

the car has passed the cathedral there Even will be a noise P-With the up car there--will be no noise, but with the dom car there will be a noise until it stops at the bottom.

Have

boyond the cover had any personal experience bridge of noises made by ours Forth passing over a small trestle bridge You, in the Isle of Wight there is a line of railway carried over a similar trestle to thin, which is about 30 feet high. Two people travelling in a carriage on this line could not heat each other speaking on secount of the noise-made,

Do you know the houses belonging to the Mission in the vicinity-Yes:

What would be the effort, as far on their privacy goes, if the Line projected in blue is adoptel-After sunset they would have to close their shutters.

Why-Because anyone passing in trams, could look straight in through the bedroom windows. The line is only about 60 feet away,

and 20 feet above.

be affected.

If the tramway were constructed on the route marked in rail, would the objection as far as ois is concerned be done away with Yes.

And what about the privacy It would not You sea no objection I understand, then, to the original alternative route ?—No,

Why would there be little or no noise in that eyout-Because the rails would be laid on solid The ground, and there would be no vibration. fine would be straight and would obviate the necessity for these curves and the pulleys which The line marked in red would necessitate

through the gordons?--Yes. Could such cutting be raads adequately without disfiguring the gardens? Yes.

You are, in the course of your profession, called upon frequently to value property here

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be enforced. If education does not go on then it will be admitted that in certain PAY localities some action will be necessary.

Hon. Dr. Ho KA-What is the difference between legislating after six months and making the power now and not exercising it for six months?

The COLONIAL SECRETARY-The Ordinance is here and we have a convenient place to put it In An I said we are manch more likely to succeed than if people don't know.

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stood that the tramway would be competitive semuch sa the how stands at present it is just se with the one already existing. Since then I well to make it clear, The four Ordinatosa understand an amalgamation is taken place. The Medical Registration. Ordinance of Becondly, it was proposed that it should traverse 1884, the Statutory Declarations Ordinance a different route to that suggested to-day. In 1893, the Bale of Food and Drugs Ordinance of Hon. Dr. Ho Kai-Sir, I accept the amend... the third place, since this bill passed its second 1896 and the Stamp Ordinance of 1901. reading it had been very considerably altered in many details. It is therefore, I think, permisement proposed by the learned Atterasy sible to discuss the general principles on this General.

I think

the new section is certainly motion to go into committee. I think it is an improvement on the one struck out.

Clase S as amended then became part of the better to discuss it now than on the third reading,

Bill. since, if we passed this motion, learned members

Hon. Dr. Ho KAI-But they do know. If} His EXCELLENCY-The only other clause education does not improve matters, legislative THE AUTO-PIANO Whereas on the tramway the tram would of the Law Committee would be nullided when

We have also which has been hold over in this Bill is the first massures can be passed. I do not know that whisk them past at a considerable rate? That they came to deal with it.

to consider the petition laid before the subsection of clause 7. I agreed to hold that it is peculiar to the Chinese but, like othor is 97.

And the tramway will also be at a greater Council to-day, and spoken to by the learned over for discussion at this meeting at the people, they like to be led rather than to be just t left the room. I propose instance of the senior unofficial member, and driven. If you puss the clause now you palpably elevation than the pathway, so the principal counsel who has

word or two with regard to my have taken the opportunity given last week apply the whip. Why not have the clause lofs view passengers will get will be at the tops of further to say these houses?--I think you said just now that position in regard to this bill. It appears to me of discussing the subject again with the out and at the end of six months after other that the principle involved in this bill is one, if Executive Council. I find that the majority measures have been triel, then legislate when the pathway was higher than the tramway.

they are proved unsuccessful. If they are ORDINARY PIANOS EXCHANGED. The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS-No, I may so express it, of costhetics against utility of that connell are of opinion that the legislation

If it is clearly understood by this Connell that proposed is reasonable and proper, in view successful we will not have to burden our the tramway is higher than the pathway.

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Statates with any clause empowering legislation Mr. DERBON-And you get a be ter view of this community consider this tramway is uses especially of the pledge which

sary for the business and for the general Cou

on the subject, in committee that no segnistion would the bedrooms.

Sir HENRY BERKELEY-Your Excellency, purposes of the colony no doubt this private be passed for a period of six months, during

bill will be put through. If, on the other which time we should take steps to educate introduce any legislation until the end of six TALKING the first observation I will make is that no ovidence has been called here to support the hand, it is considered not to be so, we must Chinese opinion both by posting notices and months. You wish us to pledge ourselves to intro- suggestions of the Director of Public Works, bear in mind that one of the most beautiful also by including the subject in the lectares dace legislation at the end of six months, We sanitation and hygiene by say legislation may at any time be introduced, and I take it that the evidence of Mr. Denison parts of the island will be disfigured by the delivered

passed the but I have given a pledge that for six months it bill already, and shall not be introduced." makes it clear that as far as the privacy of these carrying out of the project. I shoud regret Chinese lecturers.

Hon. Mr. GRESSON--Is not that in the nature houses goes, they will be open to the view of extremely from that point of view to see a tram-second reading of the persors in the trams every day; and troms will way on fifty feet trestles carried through the there is no amendment at present before the

I would remind the committee that of a threat, Sir? The very thing we want to

A DANCE PROGRAMME be passing to and fro every ten minates or Henealy Valley, but Hongkong does not depend committee. quarter of an hour. The evidence of Mr. ferits prosperity on ita scenery, or we should not the amended clause as it stands does not make avoid. The Chinese do not understand these

It does not annet any things very clearly and will say the Government THE BEST SINGERS. Donison seems to me to indicate that it must be hear so much of trade depression. Residente spitting annisauce. necessary for the destruction of any such screen generally come here for other purposes than to prohibition whatever against it at the prouent are doing their best to molest us in every pos

time hor does it empower the Governor-in-sible way. They are going to introduce a hill to to say is

by provided

now-growing view the scenery, so it remains for us to the troes as

whether or not the tramway is really required Council to make it an offence. All that it does pot us into prison for spitting. We don't wish

the Governor-in-Council if along the proposed line of route. It is not altogether fair for the case of the petitioner for the convenience and business of the colony is to empower

going to threaten them. that the Director of Pallic Works should take No doubt many of the unofficial members will be necessity should arise in the future, to compal the Chinese in Hongkong to think that we are part in the discussion and vote after dragging able to reflect opinions which are held in the persons to spit circumspectly, that is to say in drains mul spittoons so that the habit in evidence, without being cross-examined. He community and as this is a private bill and has gives an expression of his opinion, but there is been much altered since it passed its second read should not be a danger to the public health. no evidence of it before the committee and it ing all members of the council will be able to During the discussion on the Public Health and varions other ought not to have weight against the opinion their or personal opinion as to whether or occasions I think

vote upon it entirely unfettered, and to give, Buildings Ordinance and on

have given evidence to the of an expert of equal standing in the pro- fession to himself, although not an official, not it should be carried through. The bill is Council that I most heartily desire the coopera The evidence of Mr. Denison on the point that a very long ene and there are connected with tion of the Chiness in all measures of sanitary the passing of the tramline along the blue route it various plans which require a good deal of reforma in the calony. It has been the burlen must expose the inhabitanta of these houses is study, and which have not been reproduced to of every address I have made on this subject, and based on common sense. The evidence of the the council, and I therefore do not propose to I think therefore this committee may trust. ms Director of Public Works is based on the put the motion to the vote to-day but to adjourn and many trust the Executive Council not to act in assumption, unwarranted by the evidence before this debate after those who wish to speak have any way projndicial to that idea. The discus the committee, that a number of trees will be done so until our part meeting. As regards the sious which take place in left as a screen between the care and the houses. petition to which we have just listened, find their echoes ontaine and I would therefore I need hardly remind the committee that init rus perhaps premature to have heart deprecate observations which tond in opposite! dealing with an application of this kind they that on the motion now before the Conneil, directions. The principle I have supported is come that we should seek the co-operation of the judicial mind. Tho It should rather, I think, should approach it with committee will consider the suggestions made, after the Council goes into committee to Chinese in all our measures of sanitary reform discuss the second clause of the Bill which and there is nothing in my mind in the amend based only on the evidence before it, and it with the question which route the tram ment before the Council which is opposed to will not be in any way swayed or infuenced

should take. The point which we now have to that principle A steel trestle viaduct is very costly -It is by my suggestions not based the come consider is the general principle of the bill as to Hon. Dr. Ho KAI-Sir, I think since your

evidence. I am mbmitting the question of cost is material, do I under-mittes that the suggestions shadowed in the whether or not there should be a tramway. Excellency has gone so far as to promise that

expensive. stand you to express an opinion that there would cross-examination of the Director of Public will be time enough to consider in committee for the next six months at least no step will be Works are based on assumption, and have no when we come to clause two whether this taken to make spitting a criminal offence, that be no greater cost on the roi ronto P-Yos

By the Hon. Mr. POLLOCK:

evidence to support thom Sir, I would also ask route in red which is been alluded to it would perhaps be better still if your Ex Can you suggest, Mr. Denison, any methed the committee not to be influenced by what I involves the outting off of a considerable callency would allow certain measures to be an unfortunate portion of the Public Gardens and some exceed carried out and at the end of that time soo what for carrying a tram along the proposed blue cannot help describing as route other than the real trestle viaduct allusion by the Director of Fablic Works to our ingly deep cuttings which I speak under effect they haul. Then we would be in a position which would cause lees noise Concrete arches late Governor, Sir Matther Nathan This correction-I think will be something like 40 to know if non-success attended our afforts to committee is not to decide a question which or 60 feet doop and which will require consider legislate. It has this advantage: First of all orected.

of TRU emuank- might be

we would say to the publio that we would Do you think that would be more ex- affects deeply the feelings of 7,000 of the in-able cutting away over the elope pensive --I think it would be much more habitants of this Colony by any conceived ment. I understand that the substitution for like to have spitting on floors in cortain stopped, and if it is not stopped in a notions of Bir Matthew Nathan on

A tunnel is not from an engineering in time we shall have to paas compulsory by the senior unofficial member that this clanse The following vote was passed:- expensive.

point. Because Sir Matthew Nathan dis-point of view possible because in order not to

menenres. I think suitable measures might be | be deleted. approved of the particular route, it is not to kill the trees it would have to pass at a greator

The amendment was put, the voting being as say that this committee will disapprove of it. depth than 15 feet; and 15 feet is the minimum devised and carried it. Then we would be in

Tho a position to know how far we have succeeded or follows: Ayos Hon. Mr. Slado. Hon. Mr. Bir, it is hardly fair for the Director of Public depth of grading they could pass

selected in the how far we have failed and what measures Gression, Hon. Mr. Pollock, Hon. Mr. Wei Tuk, Works to refer to the respected name of our line in bine has been

alternative infileting Jesst injury we should adopt to achieve success. For this and Hon. Dr. Ho Kai. Noes-Hon. Mr. former highly esteemed Governor, and I con-

accentuate the noise.

Will you state what, in your opinion, would be the affect upon the capital value of this church property lot to tonante if the line were built na projected on blue-I should think the value would be very much less, and there would be some difionity in getting tenants.

Would there be any greator cost in pursuing the ronts in red; the tunnel or ontting Versus the steel trestle iron bridge P--I have not gone into it carefully, but I shouldn't think there would be very much difference. I should say, anything, the cutting would be cheaper.

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Wond the voice still be so great as to Inconvenience people in the cathedral P-Yes, your Excellency. I think the pulleys alone would be sufficient to inconvenience them. Erun on the present tramway the noise is rather excessive.

By the ATTORNEY-GENERAL: Would the noise on the proposed tramway be greater than that caused by the electic trams in

the stroots-You.

By the COLONIAL SECRETARY:

Are you a member of the Union Church, Mr.

Dension -No..

-Yes.

Have you ever attended divine service there? Did you suffer any inconvenience from the noise of the pulleys on the Peak tramway I don't remember doing so, but the line thore is straight, and on the solid.

Do you know the distans between the Union Church building and the central line of the Peak tramway I should say about 30 or 40 feet,

And the distance in this case is said to be 20 yards f

Bir HENRY BERKELEY-240 feet from the cathedral, and, 60 feet from the houses..

By Sir HENEY BERKRLEY = The Peak tramway at that part passes over the street-Yes, but the cars just there travel very slowly. The car is opposite the compressor, so there is scarcely any noise.

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Hon. Mr. Wx YUK seconded.

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-I understood your Excellency to say just now that members of the ROBINSON PIANO Executive Council were not munimous on this point. I would point out to your Excellency that a very large majority of the officials aro against the introduction of this measure at the present moment.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Sir, the parties that the hon. member represents are af cross purposés. One half want the clanse struck out altogether, while the Chinese mombers say give us six months grace, and, if the habit is not stopped, then legislate.

Hon. Dr. Ho Kar--I did not say that I said if it is not stopped then it will be time for you to pass regulations.

HIS EXCELLENCY-I have already said that before any regulations are issued steps will be tokon

Hon. Dr. Ho Kai-Then do away with the measure and the Chinees will see that the Government want their co-operation without holding up the whip. I only ask your Excellency to give us a shames of getting their coopera tion without legislative compulsion.

HIB EXCELLENCY-The principle has been

already decided and I ani not prepared to go back on that principle. There is no amendment before the committee.

Hon. Dr. Ho KAI-There is an amendment, The COLONIAL TREASURER-This is a bill to make various amendments in the law and this happens to be one of them. There is no prín. ciple involved in the Bill

HIS EXCELLEN OY-I will put the amendment

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Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-What about the other amendment as to the printing in English and Chinese ?

HIS EXCELLENCY-I see no objection to that. Clause 8 then stood part of the Bill. Clause 12-the repeal of section 87 of the principal Ordinance and the Stock Punish- ment Limitation Ordinance--was passed.

Council then resumed.

The ATTORNEY-General-Will the Council' allow this Bill to be read a third time. The contentious points are all settled.

Hon. Dr. Ho Kar-I object. Hon. Mr. HEWETT-There is nothing to be. gained by postponing the third reading You

cannot have any further discussion.

Hon. Dr. Ho KAI-The Chinees may petition against the Hill.

H16 EXCELLENQy-Council stands adjourned sine die.

FINANCE COMMITTEE

A meeting of the Finance Committee was then held, the COLONIAL SECRETARY presiding.

„MEDICAL DEPARTMENTS.............. The GOVERNOR recommended the Council to

vote a sum of Five thousand two hundred and Seventy-five Dollars ($5,275) in aid of the vete, Medical Departments, Hospitals and Asylums,

Repairs,

Typhoon Damages,

Total...

$1,708

3,567

$5,275

Adently believe, when you come to the considera. on the Public Gardens but as I hare said reason, Sir, I move that this clause be struck Hewett, Captain Superintendent of Police, the other Charges, Infections, Hospitals, Hospital tion of this petition, that the committee will not these questions: es to details of the different eat altogether for the time. It can be made Registrar General, the Director of Public Hulk Hygeia, for the following items in any way consider what may have been the routes more properly belong to the discussion on opinion of fathan had sat to hear this petition of I believe interfered with the exten- opinion of some former governor, because, if Bir clause three, if we agree to the general principle having this tramway. The institution of ho would not have changed his mind. Sir, I will pass from that, because I have called it whatsion of the existing tramway which would other

wise have been carried down to Queen's Road, I believe it to be, an inadvertence. It was an.

and I think I am right in saying that arrange unfortunate allusion to make to a committee

meets had practically been completed with the laving a majority of officials, and a

very unhappy one for the feelings of those who come Military Authorities for the acquisition of before the committee, but I feel certain it certain lande belonging to them required for will not affect the official mind. Besides, that purpose. I trust your Excellency will recolloot, and I sure you will that this is a private Bill The committee will not vote upon this Bill as if it The allusion, was an important public measure.

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Hon. Dr. Ho Kat said he found nothing on the statute book of England with regard to spitting

Works, the Colonial Treasurer, the Attorney

what has been said by the hon. senior unofficial

General, the Colonial Secretary and the Hon Mr. POLLOCK-Sir, I entirely support General Officer Commanding.

HIS EXCELLENCY-The noes have it by sight member and I agree with the majority of the votes to five unofficial members of this Council that the time Hon. Dr. Ho Kai proposed a new section to is not ripe for even granting power to the take the place of the section under debate. It Governor-in-Council to make any regulations proposed to gire power to the Governor-in- with regard to spitting. As your Excellency Council to make regulations with regard to said the other day this matter has besi discussed places where spitting would be probibited. in the Sanitary Board for some time past, Hon. Mr. HEWETT asked if it was expected Hon. Mr. HEWETT-Your Excellency-You but up to the present moment so far as that a man should provide spittoons for use in

Aware, no educational steps have his own office, spoke just now of having a discussion this

The COLONIAL SECRETARY replied that there afternoon us to the working of this Bill on the been taken. There has not, so far as I am aware, motion to go into committee and afterwards 1

was no precedent for such a provision, ake understood you to say we should have a discute shy attempt either public or private to

provide any receptacles for people to spit Hon. Mr. GEESSON remarked that the carry. I suppose, was made for some purpose. it that one of the standing in the Conneil of the son at next meeting. Would it not be better to Therefore, Sir, I think I am quite correct in ing out of this law was going to canse more Director of Puldie. Works would not make an

trouble than all the spitting of which we com hold over the whole discussion until next saying that educational measures have not allusion like that without some object; therefore weck My suggestion for doing that is the, began at all and I think, Bir, that it is very plained. I am bound to comment upon it. I can only statement made by counsel, and as the re- necessary before power is taken to actually bring suppose that he asked that question for a marka made by yourself and by counsel are legislation in force, that first of all educational I deprecate any purpose, the object being to impress the com- distinctly of an enantional nature I think it measures should be tried.. mities unfavourably, so I appeal to membors to would be very much to the advantage of un legislation or any power to legislate in this matter being conferred on this Council at the decide this question altogether apart from any official members of the Council if we have s

Sir, I ask the committee to further opportunity of considering them and present moment until it can be seen, as the hon. person's opinion. remember the salient facts. The Bishop has also of anding out current opinion as the bill senior unofficial member has stated, what can be clause of the amendment should be amended by told us that the cathedral was zemored 20 its has not been discussed for over

done in the way of education. As I put it now adding a clause to the effect that the provisions present site for the purpose of securing that dision until next meeting

HIS EXCELLENCY-I will be glad to adjourn receptacles should be provided for Chinese to should be submitted to the Legislative Council which will be taken from worshippera if

spit in. That seems to me the obvious. pre-for the railway

this

liminary measure before stating that present bridge, namely, peace and quietness in reading of the Bill entitled An Ordinance to regarding it. Therefore, Sir, I hope your observance of religions performances.

22 empower & Magistrato to hold a Small Debt Excellency will yield to the wish expressed by told us that when he first came here

the cathedral was in Well-

Court in the New Territories and to regulate all the unofficial members of this Council except ington Street, but as the town increased the the proceedings in relation thereto.-In doing so, the hon. member who represents the Chamber he said I have nothing further to say with of Commerce and that you will allow this clause noise became distracting, and they removed to the place where they now are. We have been regard to it, Sir, oxcopt that in the preliminary to be deleted altogether.

title the word debt should read "debts. You stated just now that you thought a

on the present site for 22 years, and I do appeal catting would be cheaper than trestles. Can to you to preserve to us that which we have you give the committee any iden of the differ: had for 2 years as there are any exigent ence between the trestle and the tunnel public reasons why it should be taken away. scheme I have not gone into it.

committee for considerate trent-

The Union Charch is a Protestant Church,

isn't it?-Yea

No.

And there are no masses and confessions?

By the Hon. Mr. SLADE: With regard to the privacy, couldn't that objection be easily obvisted by a screen or barricade run up alongside the line to prevent people in care looking into those hons Yes. ago

By the Hon. Mr. HEWITT : But that would block out a good daal of the view of the gardens ?--Yes.

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The COLONIAL SECRETARY--Englund is so well educated that it is not necessary.

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK suggested that the last

THE PARROT'S ANNUITY.

Nine counsels, including three K.C.'s, were cenpied last month, in the Chancery Division (London), with the question whether a parrot was

entitled to keep its unnuity. The testator, it seems, had left an ananity of £10 to two servants, or to the survivor of them, on condition maintenance of two dogs and a parrot. Both that they or she should apply that sum for the dogs have since died, but the parrot lives, and, from what we know of the longevity of such birds, is likely to go on living. Was the £10 validly reserved for the parrot, and, if so, for

it

The ATTORNEY GENERAL moved the third shall be an offence or making any ring English and that they should be printed in Polly's benefit. What becomes of the bird when

The COLONIAL SECRETARY seconded and the Bill was rood a third time and passed,

MAGISTRATES ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

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Tong? Certain rivals for the testator's property raised these points; and, no doubt, does seem hard that £10 a year should be reserved for a mere parrot. But it is all right, according to Mr. Justice Neville's decision. Be long as the parrot and either of the servants survive, the £10 must be paid, and used for and Chinese in the Gazette, The COLONIAL TREASURER pointed out that the servants are both dead does not appear in it would be absurd to have the decisions of the tivals berning a cat to getle the jarot dron Executive Council referred back again to the now: only, that would probably lead to an oven Legislative Council.

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK asked if it was proposed more costly action for damages, to make the Executive Council a star chamber so that its actions should not be the subject of criticism in the Legislative Council.

HIS EXCELLENCY added that anything the Governor-in-Council did was done in virtue of

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK said there was no reason the powers given by the Legislative Council. why the ultimate expression of all wisdom should lie in the Executive Council.

His EXCELLENCY. Very limited powers are given by the Legislative Council to the the minimum penalty is to be $35. Governor-in-Council. In making regulations,

deal of controversy:

THE NEW POWER IN CHINA

even

The story of the likin incident at Foochow furnishes fona for reflection. In its original

conception the boycott did not inflict any loss on the boycottece, or, at all events, it inflicted only an infinitesimally small joas. The sufferer was the boycotted, who found himself

what has been said on this point and I think Hon Mr. SLADE-Sir, I quite agree with a great deal can be done in this matter The ATTORNEY GENERAL moved that the privately, and without Government regulations appeal to the is proposed which will Council go into Committee on the Bill entitled at all. An instance was given to me only a few ment when a

An Ordinance to amend The Magistrates days ago by a gentleman here. He objected to the deprive us of that, and a scheme which is in no

state of his stairs and put the matter before his sunso necessary for the undertaking projected. Ornaments in the Criminal certain other Chinese staff. He had notices put up and with We are only opposed to that portion of the amendments in the Criminal Law in two or three days the nuisance was very

In doing so, he mid-With reference, Bir, to And the alignment shown on that plan on red tramway which it is proposed to carry over the

can do that I think it If one person

haa boomerang-like power: it causes mainly loss is the alignment originally proposed by you, I trestie bridge. If there were no other way of this order it will be in the recollection of the warly, if not entirely. done away with.

ostescised. But the boycott, as used by touchically Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-I am not referring to to the persons practising it. That was not ab going to the Poak except over that trestle committee that at the last mooting two of the And that was absolutely refused by Sir bridge should be vilent, but when clauses

stood adjourned for consideration, che done in all offices and public

These Matthew Nathan when he was governor, was it there is an alternative route which will the first of which is the clanso relating to stocks buildings. If it is found that it is of no the penalty. It is a question of assuming solately true of the Resi, boycott, antuels th

were not without rivals in the marketa of mout to take the matter in hand. not?—I don't know. I was not here at the give us the quiet that is desired, and leave us in It was pointed out at that time, Bir, by the valve, then the time will coine for the Govern- rights in a manner which has aroused a great directed against American articles.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY--Can you quote China, and consequently it was only a case of The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Sir, I think ponce, I do ask that that route should be insisted hon. and learned member, opposite having re

turning from one class of manufactures to an- You know you were required to prepare an upon. This is a private undertaking for the gard to the phraseology proposed to be adopted

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK-It does not require any other. The second boycott, however, anmel other soheme giving a different route-No, I purpose of putting money into the pockets of in the new clause, that there were certain ortia- there is a misapprehension regarding the absence any precedent?

that directed against Japan, hurt the Chinese understand the route wasthe same As a matthees promoting the tramway: it is a speculation, anges declared by virtue of this Ordinance to be of educational measures. Buch have been taken

The first part of Hon. Dr. Ho Kai'a very palpably, for the marine roducts ter of fact the route was deviated to some or nothing more or less. It will be useful to the misdemeanours. I have had opportunity, with during several monthe past and it strikes me, Sir, precedent.

Your Excellency's Banction, to confer with the that the question having been raised it is much You referred to noise

private

do not find any safat substitute, quantities makes in passing such a bridge as the Forth tion, and absolutely it matter ale spelts, hon. and learned gentleman upen those points better to deal with it as proposed and take power amendment, relating to this prohibition of they purchase from the Jayans to very which bridge that is rather an exaggerated com- shillings and pence.

I By you ought not and have arrived at the conclusion,

an unloaded gan. If parison ie it not? A triz would make much to disturb the peace, quiet and calm which he desires in the matter, that meet what. There is no use in threatening a man with spitting in certain places, was accepted by the

clearyou have got to load the out to threaten bim † Government. The second part, with regard to and thus not only the Chinese dealers in such gon first. That is all the provision of spittoons in offices and other commodities but also their Chinese consumers, ilia Bill proposes to do. We say if you don't public places for the convenience of visitors, was were subjected to heavy loss, and seriously more noise than a tramar - Eight carriages should reign, and which hitherto has amended to make it will muske more noise than one.

reigned in this vicinity, and I appeal finally to that the particular ordinances mentioned And the weight of carriages will be immensely the committee not do so, because if you do what are not to be included within the scope of the give up a certain habit you will make it neces- voted upon. Only the Hon. Mr. Wei Yuk, and inconvenienced. A climax was reached in the sary for us to legislate. It appears to be the Hos, Dr. Ho Kai, supported it, all the other case of the third boycott, however. There the greater than a teamcar? Yes, I should say is proposed to be done we are absolutely loft punishment imposed by stocks. That being spinion on the part of the Chinese and unofficial members voting against it. The third part with Chinese merchants of Foochow may be said to

propose to clause 3, and to insert a a train would be slightly heavier. But in this without a remedy. We could not get compensi

and slaughtering their foreign confrères at the case there is not only the carriage wheels, but ation, because the work was authorised by the now clanse altogether, and I have so drafted members that this section is directed against the regard to the Interpretation Ordinance was have decided upon committing deliberate suicide The Hon. Mr. POLLOCK's amendment, making same time, for the sake of slightly embarrassing this clause as to make it perfectly clear in Chinese. In my experience Chinese are by no withdrawn. pulleys,

legislature. I thank you gentlemen of the

means the principal offenders. I think the Hon. You don't anticipate hearing this noise a committee for hearing me, I trust that the future as to what offences stocks should apply Captain Superintendent of Police will have to it necessary that the regulation should receive the local officials. They declared, in effect,

Instead of amending the principal ordinance I mile off? - No, but if the line was half a mile reasons I have mentioned may be deemed by you st

by which they earned a livelihood, marely away it would make a very loud noise in the sufficient to warrant your coming to the conclu- have prepared a new clause, and propose to set educate his Indian police constables or he will the approval of the Legislative Council, was next that they would cesse to carry on the trade HIG EXCELLENCY-I am afraid the Govern for the sake of preventing the officials from cathedral.

sion that the route as proposed anght not to be out as a schedule to the bill the four ordinare them run in. They are, in my experience, considered.

ences to whisk the hon. gentleman referred quite as bad offenders as any man wearing a

Yet they You think it would be heard half a mile assented to.

That will clear up the question Counsel and the witnesses then withdrew.

quena in this habit of spitting. I don't think, ment cannot accept that amendment. If power legying a small tax upon it. entirely. -Yes, P away

As regards the privacy of the houses, is there HIS EXORILEWOT-Gentlemen, The motion

I propose to leave out clause 5 and substitute the Sir, that private educational measures would be is given to the Gevernor-in-Conucil to make counted justly; for the authorities surrendered not a path in the gardens at the present time before the Council refers to a bill which was following section (reads). That exactly re-enacts effective. In my opinion the places where the those regulations it will be creating a wrong incontinently. Is it pessimistic to say that just about on a level with the principal rooms introduced

for uneasiness? Against what grievance, real The the second existing section of the Magistrate habit is most apparent are the public wharves of impression to refer it again to the Legislative this Amoy spectacle suggests grave ground good many years ago.

Hon. Mr. POLLOCK asked for a division, and

or imaginary, will not the Chinese direct the in these houses Yes, but it is almost entirely Conncil is not in committee as was supposed by Act with the amendment we have inserted here. the colony. In the summer time many of us go

new weapon which has appealed so strongly hidden by trees.

the learned gentleman who has just left. The And I also propose this proviso (reads). I may bathing from Queen's Statue Pier and that place

to their fancy P. They are the only people, tramway and the house quite as truch as be- refer the Bill to the Law Committe. We are pointed out to him; they are not ordinances every alto dojel insasures of the Registrar. Works, Colonial Treasurer. Attorney General, Wouldn't the trees interpose between the motion is whether we shall go into committee or say that the hon. gentleman took arception to is absolutely a disgrace. It is covered with chew. the voting resulted Noas," Hon. Mr. Slade, are sortain other ordinances, but as I have already od sad spat out sugar cane and other deposits of Hon. Mr. Hewett, Captain Superintendent of a more objectionable nature. If trust Police, Registrar-General, Director of Public

with the solitary exception of the Irish, that the path and the houses P-No, I think to still in Conncil. The Bill was introduced make the tramway you will have to out down several years ago under circumstances which which come within the magisterial jurisdiction General and the Captain Superintendent of Colonial, Secretary and General Officer Com it is strange enough to find the Chinese taking are very different to those which exist at all. Personally speaking I don't think these Police may result in cleansing the wharf. I manding. Ayas, Hon. Dr. Ho Kai, Hon. Mr leaf out of the book of the frish agitators. You agree that the pathway overlooks the te-day. The differences are these:

four ordinances are really of such a character When houses to at least as great an extent as the the proposal was first made it was under that a magistrate could impose stock. In.cannot see any objection to the clause Wel Yak, Hon. Mr. Gresson and Hon Mr.Diplomacy evidently has to reckon with a no-

se it stands. As education goes on it will not Pollock.

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have ever lind recourse to the boycott, and