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the Philippines, won. et Sandakan, British North Borneo, for a few hours last month, the Phillipine cutler Panay on which the Consul was travelling basing called at the port, qu
Three
more men have been publicly excuted. at Hanoi for participation in the attempt to polsons whole artlilery brigade. Several other men have been sentenced to ponal servitude or simple imprisonment for periods ranging from two to twenty years. Farther important arrests have been made, and one Frenchman is fa- criminated.
expected, but it seems to us that it would be a suicidal policy on their part to join in the
Sir Alexander Hosie, K., Commercial movement which the Trade Union is pro-Attasba at Peking, will represent the British. moting. What can the Union hope to
Foreign Office at the international opinn commission which meets at Shanghiat early in
achieve by forcing the will owner to declare a lock-out in these circumstances Their only hope can but be in the prospect of inflicting such losses on the mill-owners that the weakest will be driven to the wall and compeller to permanently close down their mille. The wonkest are probably to be found among the non-federated mills, so that assistance given to the movement by the operatives employed in these mills would in all probability lead to many of their number being permanently displaced. A recognition of this fact, we imagine, would deter theor from playing catapan for the Union in this matter. The outlook is se jous enough without their access to the ranks, for we gather, from telegraphic information which has appeared in the Indian papers, that a lock-out by the members of the Employers" Federation would affet at least 150,000 operatives. The outlook in Lan.
cashire is, therefore, a bad one, und we can
January, The Colonial and Indian delegates have not yet been nominated, and possibly India will be represented by an experienced offcial from the Bombay Presidency,
[RECTER'S GERVICE.]
THE MEETING OF MINISTERS,
LONDON, September 8th,
· SUPREME COURT.
Tuesday, September 8th.
IN SUMMARY JURISDICTION,
BEFORE. MR. I. II. J. GOMPETE
(ACPING PUISNE JUDGE)--
A MISSING REMITTANCË, A communique which has been issued at
The em concluded in which Lt Tong Yuen Vienna says that the interview betweened Li Tax Yasn to recover $200, which the Baron Achronthal and Signor Tittoni at Salzburg has proved that Austria and Italy are in nocord on all questions concerning the two allied States, and that all Cabinets are perfectly agreed to observe a benevolent expectation of the new regime in Turkey.
Mr. Grist-It gives your Lordship no jurisdio- tion in respect of the delivery up of any okatted atall. But if your Lordship were to find agalast me on that point, then I say that the sbattel or dood, "whisk is really part of the End, most ba confined to a jariadiation of $1,000. The actions are never brought at home. It is all provided for by the Solicitors Act of 1849, which is practically imported into this Colony by the Ordinamos of 1871..
His Lordship-Have we got a corresponding motion?
defendant had failed to pay to plaintiff's brother, Li Tan Yep, at Swatow,
Mr. Grist Yes. And with regard to these M. C. F. Dizon (of Messrs. Hastings and coate, the cats were agreed at a iurip sam," fastings was the solicitor for the plaintiff, and, and the deeds were brought to my client by the Mr. D. V. Stevenson (of Messrs. Deacon, busband of the woman who is now claiming
thém. Locker and Doscon) apposred for the defence.
Evidence in supporé of the plaintif's claim. His Lordship-Perhape I had better not go showed that plaintif way & Singapore merchent into that... and defendant & travelling trader whose itinerary extended from Swalow to the Straite Settle His Majesty King Edward has returned monte Plaintiff remitted the sure claimed brother at Swatow. The money was received by defendant, bat be failed to pay it to plaintiff's brother.
to London.
KING EDWARD. -
*
The following note from a Bandakan
MOROCCO. correspondent appears in the Singapore Fres Press: Mr. Barlow, of Messrs. Goldring,
LONDON, September 6th. Barlow and Morrell, of Hongkong, solicitors, ins rent arrival here. Hohan hopes of being able
„Tangier wires that the re-formed remnant to start an office here for his arm, It is possible of Abdul Aziz's army has been routed. The he might be able to do very well, bet, never commander of the force has taken refuge in beving had a resident lawyer here hitherto, the mountains, there may possibly be some doubl. Doubtless the Chinese would find such a man to be à
"considerable help to them."
The list are published zesterday as ncidence- of the decline in trade did not include the Kowloon and Lappa returos. The dues and ditles collected by the Imperial Maritime Co-toms at Kowloon in the first quarter of the year amounted to Tla. 94,703 na compared with Tls. 109,336 in the corresponding quarter of
last year. For the second quarter the figures
BULGARIA..
Sofia-reports-strong-gyraptoms of discou tent at the Government's failure to express the Bulgarian feeling in regard to resent events in Turkey, and the Prime Minister in severely criticised
JAPANESE BUCKWHEAT PULP
to defondant, who was to pay it to. plaintiff's
Defendant was asked by Mr. Stevenson whether he handed two letters to the elders of
"Yes," was the answer. his lab.
botberation.
For what purpose? Bessuse they made much His Lordship gave judgment for the plaintiff for $18), but said he was not prepared to find any dishonesty on defendant's part.
"A" "QUESTION OF JURISDICTION Mr. Otto Kong Sing was proceeded against by Taug Kam for the return of title deeds and them of $100, damages for retaining same. documenta relating to Inland Lot 992, and for Mr. D. V. Stoavenson (of Menara Deacon, Looker and Deason) appeared for the plaintiff,
and Mr. E.J. Grist fof Messrs. Wilkinson and Gris) represented the defendant.
Mr. Stevenson said the sation arose out of
the fact that certain doeds cims into the pos wassion of Mr. Kong Sing with reference tu a compradora's security to a certain firm called Ki Wan & Co. The matter fall through, and were detained by Mr, Kong Sing pending the deeds, which were the property of the plain
Mr. Grist-I submit the proper course would be to non-suit the plaintiff, and let him pro- ceed by originating summons.
Mr. Stevenson-I submit the Court in Sam
mary Furisdiction has jurisdiction to entertain this action. The value of the property is not in dispate at all, and we are entitled to put what- vor valde we like on these deeds. I don't think we are bound to say that the deeds- some five or six documents should be of a value
of $8,000. If I say we value the deede 3000: I am entitled to be heard. If I gave over these deeds it would be for nobody's beneft as we are still upon the register at the Land Office as legal owners. I don't think it is a proper
are to value the deeds at the value of the
of the property. property, because the devils are only evidence His Lordship The thing is very akort, you this is not the proper way to get them. don't want money; you want the deeds, Bat
remedy. I come to this Court because I don't Mr. Stevenson-This is a very much cheaper
want to incur the expense of an originating summons and attendances before the Chief Juatios.
caly hope that some basis may be found for are Tia. 82.33 and Tis. 101,095, respectivoly— a compromise and that open hostilities, giving a total decrease for the half year of Th. 33,3 7. In the case of Lappa aŭ Increase of ruinous alike to musters and men, as well nearly Tis, 20,000 is shown in the collections, as to national trade interests, will be avoided. This is almost entirely accounted for by, na It has been suggested on betalf of the increase in the duty, and likin ollated on masters that when the luat five per cent opium. In Kowloon there has been dealine for bor supply of the questi ʼn of finding the payment of Ex "bill of casts whion the days service and
under theas headings.
Scientists in Japan remarke on English commercial journal, have been investigating for some time into the possibility of discovering a subatiints for wood palp in the misaufacture of The consumption of wood pulp in Japan and other countries to which she looks paper.
in the future in inorens ing so rapidly sa to make
advance in wagen was given to the work
8 supplementary source of material for paper-plaintiff bad refused to pay. The defendant people it was with the avowed hope that,
His Majesty the Emperor of Japan has been making one of immediate interest Anannounce ast up a lien on these deeds for work done,
ment that has just been made regarding the when bad trade causal employers to ask for pleased to confee apoa Mr. W. H. Donald the possibilities of manufacturing paper from back. The onus of proof was upon the defendant to #reduction, the operatives would be as Order of the Rising San. 6th class, in recogwheat straw has created considerable interest, prove that this lida had arisen and the defen- generous to the employers as the latter bad nition of his services as war correspondent bita among the Japanese manufacturers and dent's solicitor should commence.
·His Lordship—At the facts adroi beri ?. bien to thom Possibly that hope would be during the Russo-Japanese War. M. Faustumers of paper.
For a while it was hoped that the pulp made su, the Japausse Consul, yesterday morning from rice atraw, rags and waste, would supply the Court should firs. be considered. This was Mr. Grist said they were not. He thought realised if the reduction were five per cent, handed Mr. Donald the Order. Mr. Donald, the reasonable demsad in the market; but the
si action brought for the recovery of deade, and on full time, but the resentment manifested who has roosatly rotired from the service of materials have increased in prior so enormously seems to be due to the fact that simultaneour evening contemporary, the China Mail, that these sources have been practically closed. the value of the property was, he believed, over The pulp that is now made from back-wheat 35,000. He took it that an ac ion for the ously with this reduction the mills are which he edited, with marked ability for up took is the result of many experiments on the working on short tinie. The outcome of the wards of five years, voted as correspondent part of leading scientist. He claims now that recovery of a special's article should be brought negotiations now proceeding will be awaited during the war mainly for the Sydney Daily he has not only been successful, but that the In equitable jurisdiction.P A. S. WATSON & CO.. with keen interest in the Far East as in "All Telegraph He, however, shared the fate of product of his manufacture is decidedly econe- the majority of correspondenta in failing to Yokohama raports that the paper made from this -LIMITED,
Other parts of the world where: Manchester get att obed to any of the armies sotily in pulp is exallant, and that the Japanaca papar goode bave a considerab'o market. When the field, but when the Huisiso armada came we contract the view to the spinuing and East and me a prolonged stay in Indo-China weaving industries which have developed in waters, Mr. Doand proceeded there, and if is Asin we sat repetition on a smaller scale presumably the news he was able to send from there that has earned this recognition of his of what has taken pltic in Lancashire, services, M., Donald is now the correspondent Mill-building speculation bas-out-paced lie in South China for the New York Herau
markets Krowth of demand in the consuming:
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DEATH.
On August 30th, from cholera, OWEN E. STRAT TON, of Lockport I., USA., at Waho, in the General Hospital.
HONGKONG OFFICE: DA, DES Vaux ROAD C. TONDON OFFICH 131.-ELECT STEERT. EC_
The Daily Press.
HONACONA. SEPTEMBER 9TH, 1908-
Is the lock-out of cotton mill operatives,
and over-production is touding more and more to make the industry-unprofitable-to. all concerned.
TYPHOON WARNING.
The telegram quoted below was reisived at the Amerioin Consulate-General, Hongkong, All opium divas at Hanhow, were ordered to from the Manis Observatory at 12.25 on yesterday "Cyclone or typhoon N. E. of Luz, moving N. W."
be closed by the 5th inst.
The wirer and families of the married srgeants of the 2nd Cameron Highlanders have been spending the summer at Shanhaikwan.
The East is East and West is Wost, but both ara ulike when it comes to a bargain sale, save a Singapore contemporary referring to the ""usual scramble" sta-hoal bargain silo.
It is currently reported, anys In Tinland, that a Chinone Banking institution will be shortly opened in Kuds Lumpur, and that a well known losal European is to have the management.
CORRESPOND ENCE.
DAYLIGHT SAVING FOR ATHLETES,
(TO THE EDITOR OF THE “DAILY FRENS".]
Hongkong, 8th September, -Might T trespass on your space to i appeal for more light? I am under the impres sion that an agitation on similar lues is going forward at home.
Under present conditions, the best line of
migai. The Canadian Trada Commissionar în
which is made with s mixture of buckwheat
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mack better than that which in mede, as here tofore, mostly from wood pulp. The new `pro- dust produces a result that is smoother, less blurred, has more lustre, and is a better paper than when made from wood palp. It is stated that while wed pulp onste in. 3d, par kwan (8) Ib) buckwheat pulp,sa the new material is called, an be placed upon the market for form 71d, to 14d, per kwan..
His Lordship-Tea.
Mir. Grisb-said thejarindiotion conferred upon the Summary-Court-in-its equitable jurisdiction- was where property was of the value of $1,000 or less. His authority was the Summary Court Ordinnuos, No. 4 of 1873, section 12, His Lordship would see that throughout the whole of this the jurisdiction in equity conferred per the Summary Court was limited to where the propos y was of the valus of $100 and it reomad that that was the only jurisdiction which the Summary Court had. These cccaments, relating to the property in question, must be taken to be of the same valve as the properly.
His Trudabip Why is that P.
Waste
Mr. Grist-Ch Ordinance says documents and so on relating to property,"
His Lordship What is your point? Mr, Grist That The Summary Court has no jurisdiction.
His Lordship B cause the property is valued
Mr. Grist-The expense of an originating Sammons in Chambore is vastly less than the
tainly it is quita as speedy. It only wants four expeyes of a Summary Court notion, and cer
Mr. Stevenson-Endless adjournments, coun- for affidavits and probably the attendance of Counsel.
Mr. Grist-Counsel's fees certainly would not be allowed.
His Lordship-If you come here without Counsel you don't want Counsel in Chambers. I think I'd better hear you on the legal point, I don't think I've got the jurisdiction.
Mr. Stevenson-My view is that we are not bound to put any value on the title deeds
commensurate with the value of the property, Hia Lordship-You are asking for a specific delivery ?
Mr. Stancongan-For speciale delivery of the decis.
His Lordship-My equitable powers are- covered entirely by section, 12; that being so- don't think that this sait comes under that
section..
Mr. Steavenson-Sub saction 4 appears to be the section which, if say, affects me and I' submit it can hardly be applicable in this case.
Iis Lordship-I don't think it is, but there is no other section to give the jariediction wanted,
Mr. Stevenson-I biak I am in order if I ask the Court to entertain this action.
His Lordship You are asking ma-to-do- something which'I doubt if I have the jurisdio- tien lo do. Will you kindly point me out the section which gives me jurisdiction? ---Mr-Stevenson --Section 12 gives jurisdiction to the oart to entertain an action in equity. It is not correct to say the value of this pro perty exceeds $1,000.
· ATTEMPTED CHILD MURDER.
A few days ago. Mr. J. J. Stubbings, an engineer in the employ of the Electric Light Company, discovered the body of a obild behind the works. It had s tapo tied round its neck. As it was still alive bo untied the tape and summoned the poliso who had the' chil', which was only about six degs old, removed to the French Convent. The police succeeded in at $5,000 2 tracing the mother who was placed bafora tha | Mr. Griat--Because it exceeds the valus of magistrate yesterday on a charge of attempted | $1,000. $8,500 is the value of the property, marder.
His Lordsafp-Do you go ou sub-section 4 P · Mr. Griat-l go on the whole asetion. There is no jurisdiction conferred upon this Court to entertain a claim for the divery up of documents where the property to which the One of the cases which cocupied a grant des documents relate exceeds the valus of $1,000.
His Lordship Do you consider sub-section of the House of Representatives' attention in
applies to an action like the present ? :
A SENSATIONAL ARREST IN
JAPAN.
the year for outdoor exercise leaves us, or those early days was that of Mr. Takane Takenori, Chief Justice of the Appeal Court in Formosa,
of us who are tied down by office hours, abent
{^ His Lordship-Fdos't care whether it does or not, Mr. Grist, in the first point, did not touch on the question of value. He said I had not power to make the order,
Mr. Stevenson The Court has jurisdiction in cartaiz, equitable matters under section 12.
His Lordship Is this ous of them? Mt. Steavenson-Certainly.
His Lordship-I don't see it. It seems to me that I have not the jurisdiction you ask for.
Mr. Grist-I consider it is not really comYou might apply to amend, but if you did E
which our London correspondent reports to people who were killed by the collapse of houses 20 to 40 rainutes daylight. We leave the ove Having been removed Icum office by order of rised in-say one of the sub-sections, bat ́if should rofuse it, because I think it should go by
The inquiry into the death of a number of
at Shaukiwan during the last typhoon should be threatening in Lancashire, should actually have been resumed yesterday, but it was post occur it will initiate what promises to be u poned til Friday next.
long and-costly struggle between Capital "A Hankow paper notes that Gerina firme and Labour, for the organisation on both have again been successfui in securing the balk sides was rec, ntly declared to be "perfect."
of the contracts for the Canton Hsokor The Lancashire cotton trade has been in a railway, two loul British as having only depressed condition for months, and spinners managed to secure & very small contract much. assert that the primary cause is that many new mills have been erected, apparently without consideration as to whether there
A native workman sugaged in the erection of the iron superstructure ever Blake Pier yester dey met with sa sovident through the breaking of a plank on which he was standing. He fell
at 5.5 or sometimes later and get to the Happy Valley or Kowloon or wherever our Club happens to be situated, about 5.30 sad frequently-lator, We are therefore lucky if we can get in any exercise at all.
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suit, or gould you rather me consider it and sammens, I think you had better take a non-
give a decision on Friday.
Mr. Staavenson-I am prepared to take non-sait; I don't want to incur further expense His Lordship non-suited the plaintiff with
"THE CULT OF GAMES,
SPECIALISATION AVOIDED IN THE GERMAN SYSTEM OF ATHLETICS,
Taking part in a discussion, in a Lordon
the Viceroy, Mr. Takano and his friends pleaded Constitution had been fagrantly violated upon this Court jurisdiation in equity, there is that the rights secured to the Judiciary by the you read the whole of section 12, which asafors
the question was vehemently taken up no provision there which confers upon this section of the press and of the Hones some years publie interest was kept alive Court any jurisdiction for this particular If we could only persuads the Government matter, sluse maux people refused to matter. At home, it was not until the Common and Chamber of Commerce to agree to the persuaded that the administrative independenca Law Procedure Aot was passed in 1951, that working hours being changed in the winter to Formoss could be extended to the the Supreme Court had power to order a coste.
realm of the Judiciary. Therafter Mr. Takano soasoa from 9 to 5, to 8 to 4 we would show our and his affairs passed out of sight, but attention specific delivery up of any abattel. This bas now again been attracted to him in procedure of issuing a writ in the Summary appreciation by grafting harder and doing disagreeable manner. He has been arrested did Court for the delivery of a specific article is better work. The scheme would benefit our some charge which is not known, bat which is young mon, and would work for the hotterment generally supposed to be freind. Tokyo journals wrongly conceived, and wrongly brought. is raw material to run them-or-coysuming to the ground a distans of about fourteen feet, would follow.
of the rave. I fail to see what dieadvantages allege that he has been freely exploited by of Companies, and that some Polarity has resulted either with or without i markets to absorb the additional goods pro and rooved injuries to his book.
The prospects for sport under these conditions his cognisanes. At all events he is now in ducad.” In the more emphatic language of
are great. How much better for young men to prisco, and the police have searched his house- one of the Trade Union Secretarie, it is head and Company wore robbed on Monday outdoor exercises then carry on as they, or many
The premises belonging to Messrs. Black-put in their time from 4 to 6.80 p.m. in healthy Japan Last. attributable to the "upreasonable fully night by a coolis who hid himself in the place of them, do now, who spend 5 p.m. till dinner time of mill-building speculators and position when it was being looked up. He afterwards at the olaba in the City. We get really nothing seekers," who have brought about the get 3150 from a drawer, and breaking open the in the way of exercise in the summer time and a Present state by over-production, necessitat door made ijs escape.
good winter's sportis a better pick-me-up than wil the sljuga pagi, fizz zote, ever created.
LATEST STEAMEE MOVEMENTS
here on the 14th inst..
The Austrian Lloyd's str. Austria laft Singe- pore for this port on the 8th inst., and is due ing organised short time working through. It is worthy of bow that Mr. C. J. Cooke,
The Danish str. Tranguebar will leave Singa. out the industry. Simultaneously with the who swet from Kowloon Dock to Blake Pier on In addition to the other advantages, it would.
pure on the 9th ist, and may be expected here working of shurter hours and a consequent Mond-y night, lowered Messrs. McBride and mesa our getting up earlier and enjoying the on or about the 16th inst.
The A-Weir & Col's str. Inveric sailed from Wilson's time by 18 minutes the time taken hebraofng effects of the morning air before it had autན་པ་ཤི་ཤ
The former swimmer bong 5 minutes, wand the counter prún Au quoke sidedoute Cast Nagarkon the 3rd 28 For Hongkong vis ration recently recofamended the trade to der look 68 minutes to cover the distance, are peculiar to dongkong, ako the extra hour's Manila
The A. Wer & Co. 8 sir. Kumerie left Yoks seek a reduction of five per cent, in wages. In the swim across the harbour, likewise, Barros work in the forenoon will give us a better hams on the 7th inst. for Vistoria BC. and The trade adopted the recomendation and, and Alves were suopuseful in lowering the time appetite for our titin and might operato against Tacoma, on the 20th ult, the Lancashire cotton of the previous winner of the "China Mall" cup that 11 o'clock hubit, the morning peg. spinners gave notice of the reduction in (Gr. Brotherton), by nearly two minutes. Of course the game object would be gained by wagas. We are without information as to otherton completed the distance and won the Patting on the official time one hour. One race in 1906 iz 27 minutes 42-4/5 seconds, o'clock would become two o'clock. Then instead. the length of the notice given, but we may while in the practice swim on Monday night of 630 being lighting up time we would; light assume from the telegram we-published Messrs. Alves and Barros crossed the harbour up at 7:30 p.m.-Your etc.**
WOULD-BE-ATHLETE, yesterday thas-the-reduced scale of wages in 25 minutes.
The C.PK str. Empress of Japan arrived Shanghai at 8 st.-on Tuesday, the 8th inst and left again at 5p.m. same day for Nagasaki, where she is due to arrive hore, at 6 am to morrow,
The CRM str. Empress of India arrived Vancouver on the 4th inst, at 6.30 p.m.;
The C.P.R. str. Glen/arg; arrived Vancouver on the 5th inst. at 6 p.m.
His Lordship-Sopposing the value of the property was under $1,000 P
Mr. Grist-If the value was under $1,900, thers would bo a very great doubt,
Hie Lordship--If one is bad the other is bad Mr. Grist-I wouldn't say that, Your Lord. ship might possibly find a section which confers upon this Court its jurisdiction in equity where the property was less than the válas of 81,000 but your Lordship might also find that ro juris. diction whatsoever was conferred upon the Summary Court to entertain an cotton for the specifle delivery up of any shattel,
His Lordship-I was in doubt about that myself
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Mr. Grist Your Lordship o points; they are quite different.
His Lordship The second may be good, but don't think much of the first Mr. Grist-So far se Tomi find, there is no juridiction to the value of anything at all conferred on the Court, but, it your Lordship fade there is, I submit you must be confined to a value of $1,000.
paper "Annotator" replies to a correspondent who had remarked on the fact that the Germans Barried off so Low honours at the Olympic Games.
tonic nation is an exceedingly welltrained one, “My argument,” he says, “is that the Ten- but only in the general sense and in a way that benefits it and the individuals far more than The system (or want of system) in England, United States, etc, of a comparatively very low mea specialising and excelling in a hundred yards rush or s bigh or long jump, with an enormans proportion of the youtha and men as spostators and untrained in every respect.
"The German carries o♬ very i few laurels in
specialist but he is thoroughly well trained for The good of his nation and Fatherland.
He has do time for bosoning, highly |-efficient in only one allhatio fast, and after all it seems to me that he is right not to waste time over ench a matter, which neither benefits him nor the nation at large,
"He is taught to look ahead and to fit himself for the straggles that life brings, ba they commereisi, acientific, or military,
As a nation, Germany certainly stands in His Lordship-You say this section does not the front rank in these matters, and is beginning give the jurisdiction required ?
to excel in many.
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