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we shall not often enffer any intermittent, the trouble to work out the enormous in point. In the matter of subsidiary contage

am glad to see the unofficial members generally' system, and with the Tytam Tuk second section ¡cidence of taxation he will find it bears a in view it is perfectly certain that in a few strikingly small proportion to what the rate support the action which the. Government has years we shall 'usver suffer from an intermittent payer at home has to pay. The hon. member already taken. Loonour with you that the real water supply. Therefore, Sir, any expenditure at the end of the table frankly supported some solution is carrying out Article 2 of the Mackay The following, held ever from yesterdayfa addition to the land fire engines now, would form of increased taxation if any work of Treaty. I trust the committee appointed will concludes the report of Thursday's Council inevitably become uselor in a very short time. great magnitude or grost urgency were called arrive at some solation, and at any rate formn-

A floating fire engine is as good as a land for, or if our revenue, I prerams he would late some useful suggestions. I am myself very KING EDWARD

more also say, fell below the margin. Gentlemen, I strongly impressed with the view the hop. The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Sir, the member engine in this Colony because the nominated by the Chamber of Commerce began valuable buildings and godowns lie lose welcome that communication from the un-member for the Chamber of Commerce expressed oop daal official members. I am in very cordial agree that we are part and parcel of the Chinese his interesting address hý a reference to the to the Prays and the Boater

litary contribution, and he likened the ra- with them just as well and oven betterment with what the hon. member at the end of Empire, and that any action we take with regard Ninety per cont of the table said with regard to the typhoon to our coinage must be governed by that contral tepayers of this Colony to the victims of a than a land engine.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY moved that the money hungry highwayman-I presume the the Bros in this town cocar at or below the shelter. There seems to me to have been a fact. Secretary of State for the Colonies, who with Queen's Road level, which can be served by a little misunderstanding on the subject. The pistol presented at the heads of these pufort lost engine as well as by a land engine. An. Government does not say that the roheme under Bill be read a second time and referred to the anate ratepayers, demanded and ordered them to other argument, Sir, in favour of a now floater consideration will cost 81,400,000 On the con- Finance Committee. pay 20 cents military contribution out of every is that when you hare only one foster it may be traxy, it was intended to convey that the smoact dollar. Now, Bir, I venture to think that the laid up when needed. At the present moment put forward on the estimate revised by the-motion was agreed to... picture is very much overdrawn, and having the figator is laid up, and if a fire occurred this Government was somewhore nearer the original regard to the fact that the portical r Secretary afternoon on board a ship in the harbour weare estimate. The josnguration of the work, which effective shelter, is contemplated. The delay of State who had to do with the question of fixia the position of having nothing to cope with may possibly be extended into a larger and mora ing the military contribution, was the Secret. The old float has only one boiler and one tary of Stale under whose nogiй I entered this set of engines. During an intermittent sup arising in this matter is, I think, very regro Publie Notaries within the. Colony. The Bill Boated some of China's leading statesmen sitting | Porvico, the reference to him as a high. ply it is kept on this side of the harbour table. At this time last year my predecessor is a very simple one. At the present time, Sir,

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL Seconded, and the

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with their heade in their bands, and I hold in my hand, Sir, a paper which only reached me no solicitor can be admitted as a notary public" under banked fires, but you must draw the fires plodged the Government to undertake the

within the last five minutes, belag a translation wayman rather grates upon my nerves.

* metimes to clear the tubes and boilers. You work without delay. A year has gone by

of an article which appeared in a Chinese What are the facts, Bir? The contribution

newspaper a few days ago, in which the following the cost of the cannot keep a vessel under banked fires inde- and nothing has been done-I mean to say, done locally. It is necessary he should send home of this Colony towards

poemage occurred, "I am now restlessly trying garrison was originally 220,000 per nouu, nitely. The ver floater would be supplied in actually beginning the work. The reason affidavits, paying fees for adaission as a notary found in making the plans for it and deciding appointments of local notaries pablio, and is plus a proportion of the anaus! cost of with two boilers and two sets of engines to have is that unexpected difficulties have been in Bugland. This bill makes provision for the

based on the general precedent prevailing into follow the heroic aim of Ng San-cheung," 'That was the man who started the Taiping the permanent defences. After some years the her always ready at a moment's notice, wilkent

Rebellion to overthrow the Ching dynasty and contribution was raised to £40,000 a year, plus laying her np at all. Lastly, Sir, sines the old where the sholter should be. I trust that re

foster was bought, the tonnage of vessels in this daced estimates will be able to be considered other colonies. In the Colony where I was previously, in the Bahama Islands, they had a a proportion of the fixed defences, and soon after that happened the Imperial Government harbour has increased so enormously that the without any unneccessity delay whatovor (ap.milse bill, and there is one on the same lines place the Ming dynasty on the brons. The Ching plause) One other point in that connection is enggested to this Government that, if the com-existing float is not able to cope with a fire on munity of the Colony, as represented by the board these ships. When a fire occurs on, beard that the hop, member said the Government-only in existence in Fiji and I believe in several dynasty, as gentlemen well know, is the old name and gives the Government power ander its hand of the former Chinese dynasty. That is nothing ancfficial members of the Legislative Consei, a ship it is generally a question of filling her proposed to spend $25,000 on the scheme next other colonies: The Bill provides authorises of the Manchu dynasty, and Ming is the name rebellion against the great and friendly empire! were prepared to make the bargain, they would bold with sea water, and it is a question how year. He deprecated any reocarse to the re and seal to admit any person as a actsy publicre or less than inciting pornose to doliberate! serve of the Colony, and said it was the last

which lies so close to our border. I think, Sir, alter the permanent contribution of £40,000 a say thousand gallons per minute you can year plus a proportion of the annual cost of the pump into the vessel. The old engine could resource to which the Government should be admitted as a solicitor of the Supreme Court

It is eminently way. They are the savings from year to year the necessary declaration in precisely similar this Bill plus such proportion of the fixed defences. The now bave in the harbour. question was very fully gone into, and the advice desirable that a much more powerful engine of works projected and never fully carried out, tom to that required of any notery appointed of the unofficial members was taken thereon should be purchased to deal with these or unexpected windfalls sometimes socruing under the Imperial law at home, when subject Coqucil wont into committee to consider it At that time 174 per cent of the revenue, plus big ships. The hon. member referred to the from rising. exchange; at other times pay. to the paymont of a certain fee he is en rolled as clause by danes.

fixed defences, to 17 per cent, of the revenue ever cope with 5000 ton veresis aneh as we driven. The reserves have accumulated in what of this Colony. It requires that he shall make I need not add anything more ia justification of)

the estimated proportion of the cost of the red defences fell good deal below £40,000 plus sach proportion, and the wisenores at the Conn cil table thought that the best thing they could do was to close with the offer, for apparently, although there was included amongst them a

Tytam Tak scheme and insauilary areas, and regretted the emission of the provision of funds in the estimates for the current year. The Government also, Sir, regrets the omission, but it had only one alternative, or at least, three alternatives. They could have raised a loan for

could let them stand over.

a notary public of the Supreme Court

The COLONIAL SECRETARY onded the motion.

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The Bill was then read a second time, and

Hou, Mr. OSDORNEI would like to ask dons this apply to newspapers printed in other than the Chinese language?

The ATTORNEY GENERAL-Yes, Sir, It would be impossible to make any distinction: If you are going to place a bann to seditions publications it would be clearly impossible to

been acquired in various ways of that kind. I ments falling in; large probate duties, or have. think that reserve sccumulated from such

Hos. Mr. Harerir, I think it a visable rovenne rather than in the nature of-a-losu, to say a few words on this subject although I am sources may be looked upon as current or of a reserve that has accumulated in entirely in sympathy with the Bill. When the Euch a. way that it should not be touched draft was placed before this Council I found have aufBoient opportunity of discussing the affected by this bill, and took very strung to affect publications chiefly Chinese, but at the anticipate that the revenue of the Colory would Government adopted a wise courzo in postpon question later if the project should be put ception to it. I received a number of letters on increase so much as it has done, ‹ Anyway, they ing these works for one year and seeing what before them, and I propose that you should the subject, particularly from one member of

long-headed and very far-sighted man in the works; increased taxation for works: or they by the Colony. However, hon. members will that rome professional gentlemen wou'd bemit to that language. The real object of it is i

person of Sir Paul Chater, they did not

I think that the

ansaction entirely of loan. It is true there

sam time it would be quite impracticable to

Hos. Mr. OSBORNE-It a zswepaper printed draw any distinction between language. in English prints an article on political life in incite 1mult, and yet it might be bona fide

criticism...

The hon. the new year will bring them.

vote from the rasorves suffieient to meet the the profession. I went very carefully into made the bargain and a law to that effect was member complained that the estimates for

the whole question and consulted several solici extra expense required for the typhoon shelt v. daly parsed through this Council with every railway netruction was not included in publicity: Subsequently it was stalo suggested the estimates, but I would remind him that the It may also be possible during the course of the tors, men of large experience in the Colony, that perhapa the Colony would prefer to Pay railway is being built ont of loan, and is a year, if we and the Colony is working within and I found that although a few were opposed China it might be considered me calonlated to

the revenue, to pass a vote for the approval of to it, the majority were strongly in favour of is one item included in the estimates--interest amali sam from the current retenus to it.. Several arguments sgainst it were brought increase the initial sum of $25,000 which we forward, and one which to my mind appeared will pass in the estimates. I also agree fully to have some weight was, that according to with the remarks made by the bon. member at the rules at home nobody could become a notary the end of the table that with a falling revenus Eublie unless he was admitted by the faculties

a fixed percentage of its revenue, 20 per cent is Tieu of 174 per cent, and the rather indefinito ennual contribution to the fred defencer. That proposal commended itself to the ro resentatives of the community, and a law embodying it was duly pased, and under that law we have been ✅ paying, and I think on the whole cheerfully raying, 20 per cent of our revenue. Now, Sir, I contribute to that military contribution my. self, and I think that every coloniet in this Colony ought to continue to contribute to the military contribution obearfully. It was only

co the advances made for this rail way from the loan to the Viceroy of Wachang. It was a question whether the charge of that interest should not more properly fall on the railway fand, and if it had been so decided there would have been no mention at all in the estimates

of any railway expenditure. The Government, Sir, when I had the honour of occupying the their your Excellency now occupies, laid on the table full information of the estimated expendi ture on the railway for the curret year, and took a vote for that expenditure, and

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it would be better to devote our funds to the at home. I found that there was absolutely no argent necde of the community-wether than road at all for this objection, a tornas ca splendour in public works. His criticiensready been explained by the Hon. Attorney directed towards some public offices General that similar bills have existed in many I cannot suppose that a fair one. These works were projected any objection, would be ramed to a gentleman

wander construction, and was hardly colonies for many years.

we acting as a notary public under a local ordius nee merely make these remarks so that it will not be supposed that the unofficial members al

or seven AN

many years age-six have heard and at a time when the Colony felt in a position to spend much more on

the other day when I was on leave that I was living in the bouse of a brother of mine in Lon den. For every £100 of rent that he pays I fo nd be paid no less than 47 golden sovereigns/ the Government will, before the end of the its public works, rather more than it can to-day lowed the Bill to be passed without consider in rates, and laxer. That is tax lion with ear, similarly deal with the expire if we had to begin any similar works with a tien when we know a small proportion objected

for next year, and give the fullest possible avengeance! I did not stop there long information any member wishes on the whole falling revenue; In the matter of roads to, to the passing of the Bill.

subject. The hon. member who spoke second, criticism of some sort was made. I have already.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Sir, I will move fato on a future date that the Conacil go

and I went down to a very countrified part of England in the County of Suffolk, and in ere of its towns-they are pleased to Sir, referred to the Tytem Tak second section Works regarding roads in the New Territories committes on the Bill...

HIB EXCELLENCY-I think the words omitted would meet the arguments you put forward. Legitimate criticiem would hardly come within

Hop. Mr. OSBORNE-Would it be for a this section.

incite female:ter it was calculated to

inmult * The ATTORNAY-GENERAL -It would be a case to be tried by a jury.

Bon. Mr. OSBORNE-It would not be for the discretion of a police magistrate

The ATTORNBY-GENERAL-Certainly not, I

The police magistrate has not summary powers Bill to pass into law if it is at all likely to be

Hon. Mr. OSBOERE-It is a rather dangerous

wrongly interpreted.

-The COLONIAL SECRETARY-You must að. mit the necessity for it.

Hon. Mr. OSBORNE-I think it would be Fuficient if it referred to publications in the Chinese language.

Hon. Dr. Ho KAI-That is class legislation. Council then resumed, and the ATTORNET- GINERAL reported that the Bill had passed through committee with two amendments.

LOCAL COMMUNITIES ORDINANCE. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Sir, I beg to more the second reading of the Bill extitled an Ordinance to amend the Local Communities Ordinance, 1899. The need for the amend, ment of this law bas arisen owing to somo malicious damage that has been done to pro perly in the New Territories, chiefy through spite. The principal law, No, of 1899, section 29, gives the Governor power to levy a contribution on the inhabitants of a district

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TYTAM TUX SCHEME.

The Governor recommended the Council to rote a sum of forty thousand two hundred and thirty-two dollars ($40,22) in aid of the vote Public Works Extraordinary, Water Works, Tytam Tuk Scheme, First Section.

GERMAN UNITY.

been in consultation with the Director of Public

as an extravagant gohome, and expressad the

SNDITIOUR PUBLICATIONS ORDINANCS, call it a town, I would call it a village-I

their gradual construction, as is done largely in-

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Sir, I rise to rented a house and lived there for the beat opinion that, if we resorted to street fountains and I hope to be able to devine some scheme for for the water supply of both the naties and

move the second reading of the Bill entitled an part of a year I found in that vory European community, the provision for addi Africs. The method there is to constract a

section partially, and year by your go on Ordinazes to prevent the Pablication of countrifed place that for every 20 rent you tional storage for water would not be necessary. paid, you were paying somewhere in the neigh Sir, I would remind him that this question was improving until it becomes a road. I think Seditious Matter. The has been an amount bourhood of £25 per annum in rates and taxes. threshed out soms few years ago, and it was myself that that is the more useful way of of seditious matter pablished in this Colony for In my native sity, Dublin, you have got to pay decided, principally on sanitary grounds, and immediately gaining the practical utility: We sometime past, which in the opinion of the With regard to the Fost Government may have the effect of insiting to. atent £30 in every £100, and these are the tax-

also for the reason that the taps bad been in desire for traffic. payers who would be malated in the difference the houses since completion of the distribution Office at Tientsin, hon. members will remember crims in China, and the object of this Bill, Sir, undertook on a to prevent Hongkong becoming a place where between cur present contribution of 20 per cent of the water thronghtont the City of Victoria: that this Government of our revenue and whatever sum the hon. mom-that it would be better to leave them there and very definits pledge to open a post office seditious pamphlets may be printed and ber nominated by the Chamber of Commerce deal with the subject of economising the water at Tientsin for one year, which would ond circulated with a view to distribution in China would have that ocntribution reduced to. For by means of the rider main system. The on the 1st October this year. We have found Now, Sir, the Bill is a simple one, based upon my part, Sir, rather than ses, the heavily bur decision having been arrived at, Sir, sad the that the post to this Government has been precadent. It is based upon an Order in Council dered tax payers of Great Britain have further rider main system introduced, the Government very considerable. It has been run at a deal framed at home in reference to China and Kores Lurdens cast upon them I would like to see the is not prepared to reopen that question. I beg loss, and this was not anticipated at the time. You will observe that the subject has created colonists of this Colony take some farther to assure the bon. member that the scheme be For the first few months the working promised good deal of criticism, but as a matter of where any extreme crime required the provision. burden upon their own shoulders (hear, hear). refers to is by no means an extravagant one, to be a mucous, and in consequence of various fact the phraseology of the Bill was not of extra police, and the section as it formerly The hon. member, Sir, went on to speak about and I think if he were to pay a visit causes which I described when last speaking, drafted by ms. It is possible that the words read contained provision for the levying

In a apoch which the Emperor delivered in what to me was a much more congenial subject, to the Director of Public Works, that gentle. we anticipate a very much greater loss next in the. Bill may be regarded as somewhat of an additional rate in say district where too general, sad it may be considered as proving there was ap undne prevalence of crime, and it enabled me as an old fireman to transport man would very soon convince him of its year-on Postal Agencies in Chine and more

1st, His Majsly said that the Province of Sir, the hon. especially those towards the north, as we are hostile to the criticism of the Press hare against necessitating an increase of police. It is the Provincial Museum at Münster on Sept. wyself in imagination at least, from the necessity in the near friture. air of my office, hich is next door, laden member nominated by the Chamber of Com-likely to as the Sherian roate opened. The the action of the Chinese Government. Bach therefore proposed to alter the former law Westphalia presented a noble illustration of as it is with the scent of red tape, to the ex-merce, adverted to other questions that I may Tientsin agenoy showe & deficit of $7600 or is not its intention. The intention of the somerbaf, and intert the words" or any fumuit the possibility of aniting in a consillatory man hilarating almosphere which always pervades call high local and higher imperial policy, sach $8000. In theas vireumetanous I did not feel Government is to prevent this. Colony being or disorder has taken place." If the section is per historie, religious, and economic opposites the scene when water, with puny man's in- as the recent two loans and the opium question. justified in calling upon the ratepayers of this made a centre for seditions publications. That amended as we propose, it gives dizeretionary in love and loyalty to a common Fatherland. the district, and makes the district liable for the Catholic and his Protestant subjects. All tha telligence at its back, does mighty battle with These, Sir, I will leave in your wore experienced Culony to pay what, after all is for the conven- being so, when the Council permit the Bill to power to the Governor to increase the police in new parts of his country, and zone between his isbee of the mercantile community at Tientale go into committee, I shall move that we the flaming bosts of fire. It is somewhat of hands. I am also sure your Excelloney would

heart. a surprise Bir, to find the hop. member throw rather explain the matter of the closing of the At the same time I said that, if they were eliminate all the words after "Chins" in the dfth additional rate in the same manner as it would obildren of his country were equally dear to his

prepared to meet the deficit, we shall be very line, which road, or to excits enwity between be under the law at present. It is proposed to ing in bis vote for a land engine as against a Tientsin Post Ofoe than that I should do 60. Brating engine. I should have expected him,

His EXCELLENCY-In the question of Jonas glad to continus to rus the Post Office provided His Majesty's subjects and the Government of pass it in the interests of law and order. as the representative of a "great shipping in nad taxation which has been raised by two mem- this Colony is not involved in any deficit for its Chins, or between that Government and its terest to have voted the other way.

borg on my right, I was glad to see that both maintenance. The question is still under dis subjects." We are of opinion thist the Bill will have the necessary effect without the insertion.

Hou. Mr. HEWET-If a land engine is members who spoke on that question ages with cussion, and the Chamber of Commerce made an necessary, I don't say it is!

The COLONIAL BECRETARY conded the motion, and the Bill was read a second time.

Council then went into committee on the Bill, and considered it plans by clause, and on resuming the ATTORNEY GENERAL reported that the Bill had passed through committee with The Bill was then read a third time, passed, practically no amendments.

and became taw.

KAISER'S STIRRING APPEAL.

He made no distinction between the old and the

In economic matters the. Province also pre- sented a delightful picture. It showed that the great branches of industry need not injure one another, that the prosperity of one was good for the others. The protection of agriculture - would always be near to his heart. Tho treasures of the mines gave to industry, the

He had received his care for them and their pride of the German nation, its opportunity,

welfare as a cherished inheritance from his In this connection he remembered the workmen.

grandfather. It was his wish and will that, in the domain of social life, the German people should adhere to the principles laid down in the memorable message of the first Emperor Williams.

The Kaiser, continuing, said that he would like to see the beautiful picture of personal anity in the province of Westphalis spread over the whole of the Fatherland, To effect this, there was only one menne-religion. Complete unity could only be attained through one centre the person of the Redeemer, the man who bad made us brothers. In looking to Him, the German people must in spirit the old.

me in principle, and I think brought cogent re-offer to pay half the deficit, so I bepe a matter of those words. In addition to that, Sir, the The COLONIAL SECRETARY-Is it possible so to bear in support of my argument. It is will presently be arranged in which we shall two hon. gentlemen who represent in this that he is so tired of some of the vessels which act a conveniant time in which the Colony continue to accept the onus of running the Council the Chinese community suggested his principale send cut to deal with the China should embark on any further raising of loans. Post Office, but I can assure ra xayers they it might be desirable that there should be a short trade, that he would view with a cortain equani-The only alternatives we have, then are either will not have to pay for the convenience of the preamble inserted in the Bill to explain its

The ATTORNEY GENERAL- With regard to the question confer with the hon. and learned gentleman mity a holocaust of one or more of them in the increased economy or increased taxation. I merchants of Tientsin. I have nothing of provisions. I had an opportunity to-day to

the other Bills on the agenda, I would ask that harbour of Hongkong? Bir, this question of think as I said when I spoke at our Iset meeting, much moment to say on

that in the matter of economy we have done the of opium, but I fully endorte the hos. member's opposite, and, I think, we have between us, adding to our fire extinguishing appliances was

they be allowed to stand over for the present." ataost we can in this year's estimates in the view that we, as part of the British nation, prepared a short preamble which will be of some

His EXCELLENOY-Council stands adjourned raised in 1905. After careful opasideration, and, on the advice of the Superintendent of the Fire scheme of works which we have put forward for should support any genuine effort on the part assistance and satisfaction. At any rate it Brigade, it was decided that if any addition the current year, and at present we have of Chies to limit her production, and to limit meets with the approval of my hon. friend until the 2013 instant.

at which it is her consumption of opinm. I am at the same opposite, and I believe the hon. gentleman on were mado it were best made in the form of a not reached a point fire float. The question is one that interests necessary to cut down our permanent establish- time fully alive to the necessity to this Colony my left.

The COLONIAL SECRETABT-In ssconding. the public, and I may perhaps be excused runn-ments with a too drastic hand. There remains of the opium trade, and shall oppose any con- ing over brielly the a guments in favour of a fire therefore, only the question of further taxatier. cession not based on reciprocity (applausu). 1 the motion I would mention that for some years

togethe float as against an additional land engine. In the That, as I said before, will reveive my most think we have our own interests to guard in the past the incontinence of the native press in this A meeting-of-the-Finance Committee was on the new pa ta et unite in this

careful consideration during the coming year, matter, and. until we are convinced that China Colony towards the reigning dynasty in Chins then held-the Colonial Secretary presiding, peasants, and workmen should work first place with a dorstact water supply there is The hot, member on my left gave us some very is genuine in ber efforts in so far as she will has been a serious source of embarrassment. The committee considered the Supply Bill equal love and loyalty to the Fatherland. Then deutschemi Wesen wird einmil noch die Wolt moneed for any pamplog ongius ou land. With

genesen. the rider main system laid down it is to be hoped striking figures on taxation and rates at home, go, we should not lag behind. I think myself Only the other day, Sir, a publication was cause by clause, and passed the following would the poet's prophesy be fulfilled, "Au

GUT duly not to go beyond that distributed in this Colony in which were repre-võtes; and I think if any hon. membr will take it is

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