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worth to London, leaving only $344,022 in, Lord ELOIN uskod 50 MATTHEW NATHAN | her currency as promised, would be a holy the hands of the Government, and 376,920 to report on the matter of a letter from the war, a righteous war,
of this was in copper coins. The cousignment to London consisted of twenty and ten-cent pieces only. We may point out at this stage the indication that the local Govern,
Electric Traction Company of Hongkong, Ltd. [street trams]. The Secretary of that company, writing from London EC. on for the Colonies to urge some action upon June 19th 1996, land asked the Secretary
In a confidential "letter to Lord ELGIN,
The Govern
TELEGRAMS.
["DAILY PRESS" EXCLUSIVE SERVICE.).
FATAL COLLISION AT SEA.
dated April 27th of this year, the Hon, Mr F. H. MAY say the time has arrivedfor the acut, as well as merchants, is losing. He Government to take steps.
dollars worth of Hongkong coins to redeem, still in circulation, or eighteen millions more collision of San Pedro on the Cali
LONDON, July 2rd.
than we want.
The Columbit has been sunk in a At present the Government'
B. D. WATSON & CO went was not particularly reluctant to send the Hongkong Government. The Tram stiuates that there are, twenty million
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ESTABLISHED 1841.
CLARET.
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Company's Directors held the opinion we bold, and hold, that "it is far from desirable that British coins should be at a count in a British colour expecially seeing that the allegation is that this discount duo 40 a deer-waed Chinese demand for then. It seems fairly obvious that if the Chinese coins are as hearly pure as Hongkong coins, it cannot at the same time be true that our coins are melted and re-minted by the Chinese, and that if Sir MarruEW NATUAN's latement already quoted be correct, the different rates of discount, must be arbitrary
is paying the Bank about $1,000 a month aafornian Coast, and 150 men drowned. iscount, and he proposes that in fature all subiliary poil to Governmout be retained fast American cruiser of that us, which Ws prosume this refers to the small but and sent to the Crown Agents for disposal, carried a crew of five hundred mun. This would mean a loss of about $40,000 per built in 1891. The Sau l'odro indicated is col She Was
$36,000 paid to the Bauk. The Colonial annum, partly set off by the saving of the far from Los Angeles.~Eo !
flice has relegraphed its approval.
Most of the Colouice have declared them-
Present a series of seves performancos, details
of which appear in our advertising colamor.
THE KOREAN SITUATION. Tokro. July 23rd. The situation in Scon! is quiet
MICH
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HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE
COUNCIL.
A meeting of the Hongkong Logislative Council was held on the 23rd instant in the Council Chamber.
I'RESENT:--
HIS EXCELLENCY THE OFFICER ADMINI- STERING THE GOVERNMENT, Hoa. Mr. P. II. MAY, C.M.G.
Hon. Mr. A. M. Tos(Colonial Secretary). Hou, Mr. II. H, J. tioMP'ERTZ (Altorgsy-
General).
Hon. Mr. C. MeF. MESSER (Colonial Tron- surer).
Hon Mr. W. CHATHAM, C.M.G. (Director of
Public Works).
Hon. Mr. Goneral).
1. W. BREWIN (Registrar- Hon. Mr. F. J. BADELKY (Captaja-Saporin- tendent of Police).
Hon. Dr. Ho KAI, M.B., GM, ALM.G. Hou. Mr. WE YUX..
Hoa, Mr. E OSBORNE,
Mr. A. G. M. FLETCHER (Clerk of Councils)
MINUTES.
The minutes of the previous my tiny were
FINANCIAL MINUTES.
His Excellency, the Officer Administering the Minutes Nos, 31 to 32, and moved that they be Goysramont, lid on the tabl Financial referred to the Finance Camaril tee,
The COLONIAL, SHCRETARY, by command of
The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and
the mic'ion was agreed to.
FINANCIAL
Care of our subsidiary coms into the two Kwang, if the Chinese wanted them. Sir MATTHEW NATHAN alluded to the existence of “ some disentisfaction in the Colony," and omarked that various wild suggestions were put forward for the rehabilitation of the loal currency. In this connection he submitted a copy of the Hon. Mr. E, CSBORNE's suggestions to the Chamber of Commerce, which have already been made public, and received a very fair share of pable approval, although the Chamber of Commerce received them unsympathetically, or. as Sir MATTHEW Natuss expressed it.Trim Company claims to have lost £18 in Convention.
--a sort of squeeze. In 1905 the Strenta-lys in favour of nuntiuning the Sugar though onions. Some" elder states-read, and confirmed. they "dealt discreetly with the suggestions." this way, or nearly sw per cent of ity The Governor noted that "the practical your's takings. For the fate meaths Aprilsination of the Covernor, has led to such the new Emperor, and charged with
The ficial panie in Anhwei, over the
have been arrested; by order of effect of ranking Hongkong subsidiary coin 30th, 1906, the discount had risen to nearly abuses that the officials have beos warned conspiring to secure the murder of per casa, pere,alimited legal tender would be to Rebase four por cont. of the takings. Sie MATTHEW against to many indiegriminate arrests. i doz.qts, 2 doz. pr. the currency, and to lower the monetary NATHAN recommended that the sang reply ... 7.50 $ 450
the Cabinet Ministers who advised standard of value from the intrinsic valio be male to them as was made to TRAS ar i
The Bandmann Opera Company will make Yi Fin to abdicate. of the dollar to that of the subsidiary eoin." Ferry Company; and he again donis that
a return visitt › the Colony next weak, and will
The public is Whether this is a theorem or only a theory, Hongkong coins were of greater, julrinsic
awaiting with interest Marquis Ito's 20,00 it is not for its to say. The public is at the value than the Cantonese coins. Hongkong
Submission of the Japanése' demands mercy of the experts, as Sir Marriawcoins, he said, bad of inte been returning
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by Cemmaad of Mr. J. H. Newbeld; of the Owl Grill Room, supposed to have been conveyed by H.. the Officer Administering the Gever- CR00 NATHAN doubtless was; we fancy it to the Colony in greater numbers than the proceeded against a German for behaving in a
Viscount Hayashi. would take ኪ lot of demonstrating.
The most re.ment, Isid on the table the Report of the banks can put ou the market," and it was disorderly manner on his premises or Mondaymarkable phase of the situation is the Finance Committee (No. 5, and moved its accompanying foot note, Sir dollars that the Chinese were melting nut night. Mr. Orme ordered the defendant to MATTHEW NATHAN' was on surer ground, re-inting. This looks as if Ce Bank were pay a fog of $3.
Junanimity with which the people and We can admit that "the redemp-
'trying to reduce the discount on Hongkong
General's ability to effect a settlement press of Japan rely on the Resident- tion of Hongkong subsidiary coin at par and it sens clear that if the Hongkong coins by withholding them from circulation; would be an extremely costly operation,"
under all the difficulties, OUR CLÁRETS, CLUDING THE LOWEST although there are soms who think it need public would boycott (refuse to uncept) the Chinese coins, the disemat would disappear nitogether. But as we have previously mentioned, many people have tried this and
At a menting of the Board of Directors of the Shanghai Tag and Lighter Co., La., on dismally failed, We must bare mail Jaly 16th, interim dividends were voted of change of some sort, as all transactions car-3 per cent, on the preferenos shares and 35 not be done on the chit nad monthly per cost, on the ordinary shares for the half hours. settlement system. Already there is much inconvenience owing to the comparative rarity of our own subsidiary, and thers must he many people who on receiving a small Hongkong coin segregate it and save it for future use at the Post Office, which accepts no other kind. The trams and ferriss simply dare not refuse the Cantones coins. If they did, many of us would have to walk or swim, or take ricabas and
ST. ESTERIES
ST. JULIEN
9,00
LA ROSE
1200
1010 13.00
CHATEAU HAUT BRION
LARRIVET
18.00
CHATEAUS "MOUTON
D'ARMAILHACQ...
... 22.(H)
25.00
LA
TOUR
CARNET
30. 0
4-2.00
... belon
CHATEAU PONTET
CARNET CHATEAU
CHATEAU RAUZAN CHATEAU LAUITE
PRICED, ARE OF EXCEPTIONAL VALUE, AND QUARANTEED TO BE THE GENUINE PRODUCT OF THE JEE OF THE GRAPE.
CLARETS FROM THE CELEBRATED CHATEAUX ABOVE MENTIONED ARE TOO WELL KNOWN TO CONNOISSEURS TO NEBD COMMENT, AND WE CAN CONFIDENTLY RECOMMEND THEM AN MATURE AND S FINE CONDITION.
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not necessarily prove a heavy burden on present taxpayers." However, we have been recently favoured with correspondence from geulemen who strongly support Sir MATTHEW'S views as now published, and we have considerable respect for their opin tons. Redemption at par, the letter also noted, would beueft principally Chinese money changers in China and alsowhere The extent of that benefit depends, of coane, upon how much of the local cinage A. S. WATSON & CO..remains in Chinese circulation. The replies to Mr. Osnore in the Legislative Council were based upon advice received from the managers of the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank, the Chartered Bank, and the Mer, sampans. cantile Bank. Sir MATTHEW
NATHAN further did what he could to bring about the restriction of the Cautonese output of subsidiary coins, without, he wimits, very apparent results. Que statement made by Sir MATTHEW NATHAN to Lord ELGI appears to indicate the existence of 1 popular error. He wrote:
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Our correspondent "Chopped Dollar* recently reminded us that the Hongkong Government had never dəliber. ately undertaken to supply China, with coins it issued went inland against its will subsidiary currency, and suggested that the Of course we never intended to imply that it did deliberately undertake such a contract, but
The Petit Parisien correspondent at St. Petersburg alates that Groat Britain has broken off the negotiations with respect so the
Anglo-Russian Agreement, in consequeues of the dissolution of the Dums.
year ending June 30 last.
a
The signals yesterday announced that typhoon was within 300 miles of the Colony, and, as was to be expected, the sampans lost no had to abandon the routings. Incoming vossule time in seeking shelter, while bathing parties
reported stormy weather.
Mr. Rockefeller has been fined twenty live dollars for exceeding the speed limit on bie motor-car. It is not
long ago that Mr. Rockefeller olcsed hirestates to all motoriste, giving as his reason the excessive speed at which cars are unw being driven. -Central Next,
The native who was found to be in possession of 65 a waterfeit ç› us on Sunday, and who was on Monday given an opportunity of finding the friend who had outrasted them to his care, failed in his search, and Mr. Hozeland sentenced him to two months' bard labour and six hours stucks.
A Hangchow dispatch of the 15th instant her surname is not given-of the Minglao Girls' School of Shaobsing was the other day arrested states that a lady teacher named Ts'in Ching
by the authorities for complicity in the revolutionary schemes of the late Hen Hsi-lin, and summarily executed.
admits that repeated payers offered by Ito- An Imperial Chinese Decree, dated July 14ib, perial Command for rain have failed, and farther prayers and critics are or dored. Here is a noble chance for the missionaries, to repeat the performances of the prophet who made the priests of Basi loss face, and damon- believe. strate that which they ask the Chinese to
LATER.
The State Council this morning was attended by the Ministers and the Elder Statesmen, when the Koreau situation
was lisenssed for three
REUTER'S SERVICE.]
OBITUARY,
adoption.
The 'OLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and the motion was agreed to.
PAPERY.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. the Office Administering the Govera ToPet, laid on the table the following papers. The report of the Hongkong Volunteer Corps for the year April 1st, 1906 to March 31st 1907; the Correspondence on the subject of Hongkong Subsidiary Coins; and the Despatch from the Secretary of State with regard to the roport of the Committee of Inquiry in eon. nection with the typhoon of September 18th. 1906.
INSURANCE COMPANIES ORDINANCĘ. The ATTORNEY GENERAL more the shoond reading of the Bill satitled An Ordinance relating to Life Fire and Marine Insurance LONDON, July 21st. Companies. In doing so he said:-Io conse- The death of the Rev. William Ruther-quence of certain considerations which have come ford, formerly Head Master of Westminster,
forward, 1 propese to drop at present the is announced.
provisions in this Ordinanca relating to Fire and Marine Insurance Companies. These parts of the Bill may be proceeded wih later or otherwise, as tiny seem expedient. The portion of the Bill relating to life in surance follows closely the provisions of the Life Insurance Acts of England and the security. is similar to that required to be given under the Imperial Act.
THE BISLEY MEETING.
LONDON, July 21st. Lieutenant Addison of Australia won the King's Prize with a score of 318. Gibson of the second· Lanarks, won the St. George's Challenge Cup with Armourer Padgett of the Volunteer batta- score of 138.
lien, East Yorks, made the best score for the King's Prize (319), hut a protest Lodged th the bad an extra shot owing to a bad
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cartridge, was sustained, and the prize awarded to Addison.
THE MOTOR RACE.
LONDON, July 2lot Prince Borghese has arrived at Ekrater. rinburg.
JAPAN AND KOREA
The COLONIAL SECRETARY conded, and the motion was agreed to.
The Council resolved itself into committee, and considered the Bill clause by clause.
On resuming, the ATTORNEY-GENERAL committee with certain stendments, aat it reported that the Bill had passed through
pawned its second reading,
FACILITIES FOR A FOREIGN COMPANY, The ATTORNEY-GENESAL moved the scoJDŮ reading of the Bill entitled An Ordinance for Giving to a Foreign Company called the Noder landsche Handel-Maatschappij certain facilities for carrying on its business in the Colony.
The COLONIAL SECRETAKT seconded, and the motion was agreed is,
Council then resolved itself into ́s committee of the whole Council, and the Bili was considerad clause by clause.
wo hesitate to believe that it was reluctant to accept the profits Incidental to fineness of the Chinese, coins is practically the I may bere mention that the millesimal
the exodus. Sir MATTHEW NATHAN makes same as oure, the menu resat of analyses of 23 mention of "the profits the Colony has made of these coins made by two different analysis from furnishing the Kwang Fravinecs with being to show the presence of 8 dus parts of token coins," and it is those profits which silver in 1,000 parts of metal, the fineness of Hongkong coins as Isid down by proclamation we have submitted ought to be set against bing 80. The millesi al fineness of the the loss of the "extremely tostly operation" tollur being 9, there se mu no reason why both the Hongkong and Chinese enbsidiary coins which we (and the Hon. Mr. OSBORNE) should not fall to a discount of 10 por cunt. At reconamanded. When one raslily incurs present the discount on the former is 61 to 6 heavy debts, it is always a costly operation per cent and on this latter 74 to 71 per cent."
Assuming that Hongkong suspends for- to get "square." The analogy, we submit, ther production, a policy it has since is by no means unfair. The Government promised, and that China's covenanted prepared the problem now awaiting solution. BENGKONGOFFICE: 10A, DES VEUI ROAD (
We did not. Likros ÖFFier: 131, FLEET STREET, EC provision of a uniform national ecinage is
If the task of solving it indefinitely postponed, an assumption that presents difficulties, we cannot help it. we fear is only too well warranted-Sir MATTHEW NATHAN prognosticated three things as possible. We quote them in full
The Cantos mint may continue issuing Sir MATTHEW NATHAN has a good com policy re subsidiary coins, says;-It is some- Premier at Seoul, fineness. In this case they will fall to and obtmp as much Hongkong subsidiary coin new sabaidiary coins of the present millesimanent. The public, he points out, can remain at a 10 per cent. discount to the im poverishment of the people in the Kwang are at the bank as they desire. Suppose Provinces was hoardings consisting of, and the public acta on this, no doubt in time tenth of their valus. The decrease in buying the alien coinage will be reduced, but what the actual valus of the silver in the coins as earnings paid in, these Coins will have lost a power of these people will couitions injurious will be the immediate result? Will it not they are able to discover this in the fluctuating to affect the trade of Hongkong. The Hong- mean a speedy and further increase of the silver money market. Moreover, in shops and time of war with the reduced army, which siding. The following votes were passed... kong subsidiary coins will remain at a slightly discount, and more losses? However, the places where only items of email value-for he considers will result from the two years' fere dierouat in Hongkong, where the non
The Daily Press.
HONG KONG, Jezy 2, 1907. YESTERDAY the mezubers of the Legislative Council had submitted to them the corres- pondence on the subject of Hongkong and Cantonese sabsidiary coins. Some of it has already been published, but the subject is of such urgent and vital interest that the public will probably bear with a little repetition rather than miss any item of infomation bearing upon it. The first item of the correspondence is a "con sident al" letter dated Government Hane, July 23rd, 1906, addressed by Siz MATTHEW NATHAN as Governor to the Earl of ELars
the
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Yet on the point we have made a much of, about the scarcity of local coins, it is only fair to say that
The Hongkong correspondent of a bang hai contemporary, discussing the Government's
satisfy the needs of the osse, for the Chines thing to have this fixed, but this will not themselves will not be guided altogether by what has been decided in this way, but will still follow
acceptance of the Chinese coins by the full wing paragraph from Sir MATTHEW's example twenty or thirty cents are sold, it Government and banka make these of less value in the Colony, those of slightly despatch appears to greatly weaken the makes the exact calcalation; and yet these folk will be found often exceedingly difficult to will increase, if mercantile firms follow the position, and to show that the recommen-will have to pay for their wares in larger suine example that has been set by the Government dations to the public are whitedly counsels at the new rates and go will lose thereby and some of themselves in deolicing to receive
the Chinese coins. There will also be tendency of perfection. We are advised to attempt.
for the Hongkong cuius to return to the Colony, something impracticable, to roll the stone.
(ii) The Caston mints may
iseuing
SUPREME COURT.
Tuesday, 23rd July.
IN ORIGINAL JURISDICTION.
PIGGOTT)
A SPECIAL CABB,
LONDON, July 21st. Koelnische Zeitung considers that Korea is An inspired Berliu telegrams to the
now entirely forfeited to Japan and that the action of the Japanese was perfectly justifiable from the Japanese standpoint. An enraged mob of 1,000 people has attacked and burued the residence of the
FRANCE.
LONDON, July 21st. declining to accept the responsibilities in The French Generalagimo has resigned,
service law.
GENERAL SIR HARRY MACLEAN.
LONDON, July 21st. Router's correspondent in Tangiers wires that Raisuli has cut off all communication between General Sir Harry Maclean and the outer world. On the other hand there are persistent rumours that Raisuli has left his stronghold with Sir Harry Maclean,
the Ykmass tribe, which is reported to im loyal to the Salian of Morocco.
On Council resuming, the ATTORNEY- through committee without amendmeni, and GENERAL reported that the Bill had passed
moved that it be read a third time.
The COLONIAL SECRETARY яeconded, and the Bill was read a third time, passed, and became law.
HIS EXCELLENCy-Council stands adjanrend antil Friday at 2.45 p.m.
FINANCE COMMITTEE.
A meeting of the Finance Committee was then held--the COLONIAL SECRETARY pre-
SANITARY AND OTHER TOTES,
The Officer Administering the Government recommended the Council, to revote a sum of one thousand one hundred and forty-five Dollars ($1,145) in aid of the vote, Sanitary Department, Other Charges, Typhoon Expenses,
OLICE AND PRISON DEPARTMENTS, The Officer Administering the Cleverument thousand dollars ($1,000) in aid of the vote, recommended the Council to vote a sum of one
Police and Prison Departments, &-Police, Other Charges, for the foollowing itoms-
Fearet Bervice... Subsistence of Prisoners...
TEE
ALLEGED BRIBERY.
$ 700
300
$1,000
as Secretary of State for the Colonics. It enbeldiary sins. Those they have already of Sisyphus for what the Government follows previous correspondence on
issard and with them the Hongkong coins would chanot attempt the public can hardly do, tend gradually to recover their former dollar and for similar reasons. Here is the fatal subject of the disposal of the subsiliary value as absorption took place and they became coin in the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank.
a subsidiary rather than a main
paragraph: Sir MATTHEW NATUAN had been advised coins of lower millesitas fineness than the namely, that the Chinese co'uage should be
(i) The Canton miat may issue subs
subsidiary Of the two proposals of the Board the firai, BEFORE THE CHIEF JUSTICE (SIR FRANCIS and that both have been taken prisoners by about April 1906 to take no step in the
present ones. This would result in a further made illegal and abolished, is not practicable. direction of disposing of this coin until the temporary advantage of
impoverishment of the Kwang Provinces for Chinese coins are flat legal teuler in Hong the Canton kong, and it is open to everyone to refuse to the result of the nxt selling season had
ury The
coins, which, to securu
The spacial case in which Iau Yeong acceptance,
accept them but to make it punishable by law Wood and Lam Choy were would Пита the
the plaintiff, sage been ascertained." By May 15th the disappearance as the old,
would drag
to possess such coins or to offer or accept pay and the Standard Oil Company of New York About nine o'clock last night fire broke out the ments in them would fill the gaots of the the defendants, was resumed. coust had gone up to over four per cent. The Hongkong coins with a value interme seriona if not mortal blow to the large frame reserving his decision.
value of the Tatter down with
After farther in Messrs. Baratio and Co's Godowus in them. Colony and at the same time would deal a argument, bis Lordship adjourned the case, Wyndham Street, and it was over half an hour mission was brought against the keeper of a The first charge of bribery since the Com. (from one-half and one per cent.), and the diate between
that of the dollar and the and petty trade which goes on between Hong Bank Manager reported that prospects were
Chinese coins would tend partly to disappear kong and Canton
before the brigade got the outbreak unter, the Seamon's boarding hours at 37, Connaught Road from oirculation in Chius by boing melted down doubtless aware some 4,000 people daily come
As Your Lordship is THE "HAUGHTY AND, IRASCIBLE" pix in the godown burning freely. The West, by Sanitary Inspector O'Halleram before not improving. Owing to damaged crops, to form the new issue as dollars are now being and go between the two places. For
erlent of the damage was not a scertainable last Mr. G. N. Orme at the Police Court yesterday and the abstitution in the two Kwangmelled down to form the present issues, and
night. During the operations of the Firs morning. The defendant was charged with Provinces of dollars for Chinese subsidiary, for commodities in the same way RSCOMMON integral portion of the Chinese Empire and it of the Two Kwang provinces, has been de. of one of the fire escapes, and who apparently afternoon. When brought before his Worship
partly to constitute a third standard of valac poses Hongkong is and must remain an
H. E. Trên Ch'un haues, Viceroy-Designate Brigade, a Chinese fireman, who was in charge offering the Inspector a bribe of $10 on Monday is no mere possible to exclude Chinese sub- there was to be no chance of Hongkong are now beginning to have two prices ac in exclude dollars and establish a gold currency designated as "Haughty, irascible and failing in attending to his machine, was caught in the amount instead of paying a foe, but the inter aldiary coins from the Colony then it is to neonced to the Throne by a Conor Lamed
was more interested in watching the fire than he mentioned something about offering the Chen Kuei-ch'ing, The Viceroy has been there.
We call special attention to the "integral Crown to his Sovereign."
in the obedienos das from a servant of the bandle of the wheel, tossed into the air, and preter's romarks were not andible at the Proys portion" of it. Granting that position, it that this has been proved in Viceroy Sham's moments he was stunned, but was able to walk Stokes and Master) appeared for the defondant, The Censer declares thrown heavily to the ground. For a few table. Mr. A. Jackson (of Messrs. Johnson, conduct in refusing to proceed first to take seems almost just to suggest that in that over the Yankwoi Viceroyalty, and now the home with the assistance of one of the native and asked his Worship to fix a day. His Wor case a war on China, to force her to reform Two Kwang.
subsidiary coins being required in those provinces in the near future." India, re ported to be buying silver, refuged to buy any of this bullion from Hongkong, se on June 21st the 8.8. Preussen took $3,398,000
dollars or subsidiary ocins. It would be as im to whether payments for them are possible then to prevent the new issue frou now to prevent the present issues being used in being generally current in Hongkong as it is the majority of private transactions, and even exist at the present time would ensue. greator confusion and paralyzation of trade than
onrreucy
SHUM.
members of the brigado,
ship adjourned the case until Friday afternoon hail being fixed in the sum of $500,
No comments yet.
Private notes are available after approval.