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MAIL SUPPLEMENT TO THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS.

HONGKONG, WEDNESDAY, DHOLMBBB 112, 1889.

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THE DEBATE ON THE HONGKONG very far from equivalent to statistics com.the circumstances had approbat altered it can, to find out the cause of this sick to much en oor, and the principal reason be reosive at the handy of the community all sym-attention to points that may bo work and onable

ESTIMATES,

piled on the spot. In the first place, it will since the 51st July, 1888, they did not conness and the excessive mortality amongresdeucen for this is that the offloor, will probably pathy on his first. arrival in taking bror office them to be strengthened, and not only that but.

be a goods from Hong hemat bo impossible to trace apeurately the datta sider the changes were in themselves of the Chinese, and it is satisfactory to cried saa or if he arrive here mer under extreme diffulties, and on the part of for many other reasons which it is impossible to Chinese, and it is satisfactory tried he will certainly get married. Well, I osa-the pubilo I would simply ask that pse give at the moment, but which are the rousit The Colony is to be congratulated on the of the departure of goods from Hongkong sufficient insportance to necessitate any know that Mr. McCALLON, the Sanitary ant always, as the hol member knews, follow sibia greater haste should be made in the of experimax. However. I uiay say I hars return of the Hon. A. P. MACEWE to his or the date of their arrival here, so that the modification of the views then expressed, Sinparintendent, is pirsuing inquities in this Air logio in some respects, neither car I in this prograr of public worka We have been, as in my mind a scheme whirl may not until

his or the date of their arrival here, so that thened "Colony' boer muggested in the sudden changinning of adequate salary, therefore if it doe

kit sent comparison oltages what."'h was in Council. The bon, gentleman always conigwigon of period with period one of the wed they therefore, still depressted" the ap- direction. So far the only solation that bes for whether ho ba married or unmarried, 11- 07-Four Excellungy in aware, so much neonsteamed pblic opinion changes acunawhat. The mat. estries with him a healthy breesiness into most useful purpose to which statistics are propriation of any portion of the Colony's book miggented in the sudden change in tam der to obtain a competent max you must auto delay in the completion of public buildingstar is not of that importanse that it is desirable On this occasion indebled for a wholesome entries the classiffers both of gone rigor, also changed their viewat spoken public effeire, and it to him that we are applied will be rendered of little value, revence to sutraidising a special cable. Have perature which accurred at the beginning of adequate salary; therefore if it is decided such an that people rory naturally get annoyed and to force public mision, I am in hopes it way.

into un Luis occasion indebted for a wholesome Secondly, in the returns received froto for Mr. MAGEWER's constituents if we may so the month. The Surveyor-General says he appointment be taade I would saggest you should dissatisfied. The Surveyor-General'a is, as we change of itself. But it noonrred to me discussion of the affairs of the colony in eign countries. the classifiers both of gone, igrate the Chamber of Commeres like has been overie Kowloon several times, han mention the salary hi telegraphing to the Sacre. know, one of the most important departments ie we might possibly randy thi: matter to a

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clawsiflers host of Mr. MacEWER' coastal cable," Have peraturgeted in the sudden change in for whether

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and bis et fary of Stato. The next point you alladed to this colony. Now, as an example, my hon. friend certain artent by a circular letter to the their viewaren the sppointment be tande I would connection with the 1890 Estimates a dis- tities and values will vary, and their redus. the Governor, also changed their viewer spoken with the residents there, and bis cot. was the inprong in the same contributed to the mi- the Acting Colonial Secretary will recollet a Governments of the various countries with. cussion which in tris absence would not have lion to uniformity will pot unly involve Ars ther prepared to join in subsidisingclusion is that there is no reason to suppose Itary in this cology. That, I may say, I had discussion about four years are cu the sibject which wo tralo haking them to return taken place. The Governor's wish that Mr. large amount of calculating bus will be more cable Judging from the remarks in the that the sickness arose from any inanitary loaned from the lips of the Under-Bearstary of of the Central Market, sad vary heated to sit from their statistice the amount of

mot Singe pote papers, the Straits Wildgaleno might think they can a

chilly MAOFWEx's example may prove contagious or less unreliable. Thirdly, the raturus will Singepote papers, the Straits Sottiomente condition of the place, but was ebietly due to State, and undoubtedly we shall be called upon discussion it was. I esrtainly hoped to have their imports and exports from and to this and that the

to other unoficial members will be incomplete, for it the course of year would not be unwilling to make a contribu-climatio influences. Without this explana- to pay a very considerable increase, brat I do not found the market wompleted by this titan, the colony. I think in that way we may toler. let more of what le passing in their minds dartain quantities of goods will be received sion, but they consider that it should not extion he thinks beguros standing sleno might think they can ask an for that increased anm at sita la lovelled, and I think that is all. I believe at ably well wake up fr the sheotide of a

passing by the trouard despatched possible to obtain as the game benefit to thaw that this to lend ainoat the rested by the Sut and presetice there. I will be kupwn will he generally shared by the frowand despatched to out-of-the way plases teed more than half that paid by Hongkong, use an ampant of apprehension which is ang rate until the forts are completed and the present Circus is there. With reference to the bureau of our own Of or a grant deal do public. We propose today to briefly pass from which it will be impossible to obtain as a direct able to the latter would not be of hardly justified by the facts. The suddanness barve there is a cum placed on the Estimates thie publio any information as to the possible fall in with it, but this Colong is constantly b

would not be of me

guns mounted. While on that point, I Gap Rook light, if the hop, member orald give poode upon the extent to which other countries in rarione seem is su review the ratious points touched upon returns and also because some countries in nearly the game benefit to them. And, as of the increase in the mortality would aim for the complation of the foris, and us this date of its outplation it would 1 knowing asked to do things for other countries we by Mr. MACEWEN, together with the replies einde Hongkong with Chint in the statements matter of fact, it cannot be denied that this to lend shinst the force of demonstration matter will keep up in Finance Clammittoo be very elisfactory Speaking individually, I are constantly being aligd be France, byder

leuation Dowher Frost lancy's given by the Governor and the Acting Co- of their importa and exports. However, the is the osse; Singapore already possessing to the explanation suggested by the Sut and we shall not have the benefit of year think it was a mistake the ovarsment or many, and by other bunaites by Park but that lonial Secretary. First, ne to the audit. It figures to be obtained under the proposed direct telegraphia communication with India veyor General In Heptember the auber Excelleney's presence there. I will allude to it undertook the building of the light on that tio, and so on, and I can scarcely think but that

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veyor-General. socupa to be agreed on all hande that an inds scheme will perosos some vahe, and we hope and England, the proposed calle would.com. of desther in the Kolonn registration dir now. Bema yeste ago, before I was a member particular spot, because I fancy it will possibly the principle of international conuity will lead is is pendent audit of the socounts of the Colony trial will be made of fer comparatively little advantage on her.trict wx 30, in October 15, and fast worth of the Countena was asked for fortiffea prove a tougher jobs than thay anticipated at the them to vadish as in this small way. After all. is desirable. The Governor in capecorial it hope and England, the proposed cable would o

In reference to the proposal that houses. The amount of the subsidy mentioned by 71. There has been no change in the sani lions, at first £6,000, then they doabled it and tien sad if Sir Robert Bart's offer had been adit is de ly copying a few theares and gouding therm In reference to the propoficials at the Mr. MAGEWEN is certainly large, he laid three months named, and the explanation of Forts should be mounted with the

Two were asked for £120,000. This was cheer.empted, that he would build the light if we would out tɔ us. In that way, so I i I think wo impressed with its desirability, but bo ob- should be provided for the officials at the Mr. McEwEN is certainly large, and if itary conditions of the distriot during the

LoEwax is certainly large, and if in rats

fully granted on the understanding that the pay for it, me should have dess Letter. The way lo a certain extout make up f the absencs jests to the plan of sending the documents public expense, we think the general verdict be true, as he says, that a cable could be laid three months named, and the explanation to London. The Acting Colonial Secretary will be, the Governor saya, anything for the sum of $150,000, an annual subsidy the isoressed mortality, spust therefore of forts should be zoeunted with the latest and best. next point is with reference to the Orown Agats of a baronn af suruwa. I intend, as all events, the breech-loading ordnatos, and with the saloon Tuls, as your Excellency is aware, his previons to make zis experiment in the cotires of elsewhereynist admite that the Imperial audit would be rather than that. There is no limit to the of £31,000 of which Hongkong and Sing sought elsewhere. Batit that osuse is to promise, so I understood, this colony should not It been brought to the notice of this the next few months As regards the sala belter than the present system, but contends demands that would be made under such a pore were asked to pay $16,000 between thew be found in climatic condicions, such as the ko called spoo fa pay one dollar more. How Government, and it will probably also come up rics of public offers. I have not the slight- that it would not be so much better.as to be system. The modern tendency, moreover would be excessive. But the estimate of sudden change in temperature, an interent over, in those days the meetings of the Finance in Finance Committee. It would be of very d objection cyself to lay the report on worth the extra expense. He also dwalls on in in the direction of the abolition of all por, the cost of the cabis given by the Eastera ing inquiry opraed up as to why the ex. Commitice were bold secretly, and it is great advantage to the train of this colony if the inble. I have no objetin to making public the inconvenience of having the audit com grister, and avaty good tendensy it is. Extension Company is, if no remember cartive mortality should be confined to the litely owing to your Escolinor's good ing all the requirements for public works were put anything that is not in its riture much as it i

Aaan 20-Est official and ureticial members mot, but the public tionsly thousands of dollars would have been saved only reason is that when sprite noted in London. As an instance of the 20- Et ne official, we 917, be paid a fair andary rightly, upwards of £300,000, and they say Kowloon district, Can it be that there is at that busy are now hold in public. The up to publia tonder, and I belleve most comicion improper for a Government to give forth. My periority of an audit on the spot be mentions and make the best of it, like other men. In that the fine would necessarily be wozem u suze unhealthy influence in the soil thore

are unaware what they decided, but as I mada connection with the Tytam Waterworks and mendation is male curs at very apt at visit paid by Sir WILLIAM MARSH to the thie Colony housu allowance is being connotativ-at-they can do just as well with whina is liberated by the sudden change from present the anafor hoficial member. Who was the forts if this plan lind bei ulogted Hut this quos lo count upon an inevansa (hat cary po

to Post and Stemp Offices, when that officer solidated with salaries, and in course of time at it. But it would be wiser policy on their heat to cold and which does not exist in other vary active in the roatter in those days, very pro is another matter that must be left antiraly to sibly may be divulged by the Secretary of confessed he had learned wore in three or even pensions will here to go and the part to lay the direct cable and provide for parts of the colony? This area a rather bubly be will be able to give a more deinite in your Excellency's consideration. Now, sir, Intaly State, However, its mation is made on the four hours then be could ever have learned sooner the better. This colony anjoyed the the future and growing ants of the Fur far-fetched suggestion, but without sous formation on the point. I do not nes, unless there has been a gommercial depression over this subject, and there is a streng foring the re frem replies on paper. Every one will of services of Bir WILLAM MARSI for a period Bast than to allow an opposition Company to such explanation. it is difficult to imagine there is some strong reson given for this extra colony. These commercial storms visit all comport should be laid ups the table, I will at Course grant the appositonces of the instance, of about six years, and he now draws a pan- be started. The rates now paid ara pene-why the sudden change in the temperature vote, why we should not back up our predeces. munitim at times, and broadly speaking they do once give way on the point beans I have no and we should say it will be the duty of the sion of $2,192, Wa hops BiT WILLIAM way rally felt to be very bigh, and any attempt should have proved a deadly at Kowloon alma to vote it. Now, sir, undoubtedly at home the commercial atmosphere and root up all that themselves. So often are these recommendations Sir aure, and without antinfactory explaustion de I think in the Jong run good, for they clest ap feeling in the mintter oppt for the officers local Auditor who is to be sent out long live to enjoy his pension, but it would to break down the monopoly established by only. Whatever the mode of its opera there has been a great deal of exaggerated talk is wrong. Already trade is showing signs of made, and so oft n disappointed that I should under the new scheme de exactly have been a more satisfactory arrangement the Telegraph Companies would probably sien, however, whether directly on the bi- about the wealth of the Colony, in fast, curtain improvement, doufidence is being restored, and be really sorry if offlers who urn in a struggling what Sir WILLIAM MARSH did on the had the Colour paid him a larger salary receive very cordial ampport. Whether the man system or indirectly by liberative soure ofoiale seem to look upon it as an Al Insaan, capital is being raturued to one midat, and I can position said have their hopes raised when

I be occasion referred to by Mr. EASTER. In the without prospect of passion. We find on Colony could Boat a Company to lay a direct poisonous agent, frag the soil, or a combina- and they will make ni pay accordingly very tidently believe that with a firm hand and pro- they may ret he gratified. However, that is a mat natural course of things the officer on the the pansion list men who have been draw able, or, if it did, whether it coulif par di-tion of both, the svideoeo points to the curefully read your Exuellency's repert in this grossive polier on the part of the Goverment.ter for the hon, members themselves. Of course reapect aud I am afraid it may rather tend to and above all a watchful eye over its legitimate if the hen, member had been in the Colony he spot will be bad things the officer on the without prospect of a larger salary receive graph Companies would spot, will be held responsible for questions ing their pensions suce 1881. Others eu- ridends, are open questions. But whether obange in temperature as the primary case, couch the Imperial Authorities in that view. trade, the prosperity of this eclony, will ba s would have been a member of the Commiifa, and as to svetom. All that the Secretary of joy them for only a few years, while officials it could or not, it would on all accounts be The question then naturally suggests itself I think it is always wise when a man is great are, greater than it has been in the past. he le quite welasie tu see the report, and if after Stata proposed should be done in London who die in harness obtain no benefit what batter to allow the existing English Com-whether such changes could not be foretold worth 210,000 that he should lead his friends to Hon. P. BYRIR-My hon, friend on my tight geeing it he thinks it ought to be published and was the mechanical part of the work, and ever, so that if pensions are to be look-pany to lay the cable if it can be done reuson- and to some extent provided against. The bellove he has only £5,000, and the same prin- has referred to me is connection with the forts. he carries public option with bisa publi he does not indit eren upon that. The od upon no deferred pay the system obvions-ably. If aun cuaid he named that the Co-class connection between the anteorological ciple I think should apply in dealings between I cannot exactly remember now, but my strong opinion on exprend in this Cour-il shall be

eren upon that." The batter to allow the existing English Spans will apparently be greater than ly works very inequitably. Havarting baik tony could afford, and the Straits Settlements and hygienia sciences is well know, sad if Crown Colonies and the Imperial Anthorities impression is that when the last vote was made very happy to lay it on the table. As to loure that of the present system, but as the Glove to the question of house accommodation, would indicate the amount they were prepared in this colony wa had a system of weather Another point that must not be lost sight of is it was distinctly understood that we were not to For ofteisin, while there are some romanus in fa- orzar aays, if the change has the effect however, we hope the Hon. A. P. McEwEx's to contribute, the Governor would then be in forecasts, for which we already have the that aro entirely dependent on legitimnstabo esiled upen for any more. I have no donht our of saab a principle I think the general. intended it will be worth far more than it suggestion that adequate quarters should be position to lay a proposition, through the appliance, it is possible the information

possible the information trade. If that goes, our joint stack at the Acting Colonial Secretary will remember experience of all colonies is, ach agninht

penias,in fact our whole pack of cards dwindles. the exant facts.

it. If the bon member imperience ott will cost.

provided for the married members of the Secretary of State for the Colonies, before the that a cold snap might be expected to while on this point-and I know your Br. His EXCELLENT-I will explain the matter this subjrot ho would say, anything rather than With reference to the military contribu- Folice Fores, will receive the consideration of Imperial Government. Sir NOWELL SALMON Bot in suddenly about a certain timally agrees with me, for the matter was dis directly. I have latened with great pleasure to that. The result of giving house to vublic of sion, it is satisfacto the military contribu. Provided for the quartore should be contribute, the troverant and were prepared in this role sciences is well knew. tion, it is satisfactory to hear from the Co-His. Excelleady. The conditione, governing would no doubt rigorously support it, and might, at least in some care, glossed some time age I think it is a very great the able specals of the bon sirber and 3 only figial generally is to enormous aid to publis vernor that the Colony is not to be asked to the case of bodies of men like the Police of there would be a fair chance of the long de- to, preosutions being inker which would pity that this oclory is without a baraau of wish his example mes prove sontagious and that expanse. Fsperiamos .ups that bout that da increase its contribution until it reselves an course differ widely from those which apply aired link being supplied between the two dimisisa the chance of the contraction of statistics so that we might have an opportunity we may hear a little more from hon. members extremely well for parpia when they pay for them additional regiment. His Excellency does in the case of higher officials. Barenche British outposts in Asia. It would be better, illness. In a place like Housgang, where of gauging the rise and fall of that trade. By than we are in the habit of doing. I find I am themselvesare found fault with in every point when not state this as an absolute certainty, but it for the Police are a necessity and quarters we imagine, and at all events more satisfactory for the greater part of the year people that I mean, if any branch of the trade dvinilles soused of cooupying large amount of your found for them. I'ts repairs required are at is bịt view of the situation, and no doubt it should be provided for married men as well forthe Colonies, to pay a lump sun down than sleep with their windows open, a sudden

sudden we might have an opportunity of Baling ont time in talking, but I am not conscious of doing normally grast, and the amount of destruction will turn out to be a correst view. When the as for single men.

andual subsidy, the Telegraph change of the temperature during the night, the

Gerature during the wis the cause, However, I merely montion that in more than is hongary, but I am forced to do itonormously large. The system has been tried fa passing, because when it was discussed many by the silence of others. I hope the hon. mem. many coloreand as far as I kos, kas be nearly additional regiment arrives we are afraid it. To adequately discuss the questions of Company binding itself to maintain sud work leads to a good deal of sickness in the of hout incituate friends, many men of high ber's example coay prove contagious and that we always abandoned when there was an opportnut- will be impossible to resist the dental to adequately discuss the questions to make an annual subsidy, the gore than sleep with their windowa will be impossible to resist the demand for the reduction of taxation, the direct cable to the cable without interruption, real course shape of colds with feverish symptoms. intelligence and high position in the colony may have more expression of what is in their ty of doing so. Moreotes, the press romant a larger contribution, if the principle of pay-Singapore, and the Crown &gents, would any accidental break, without further assist. The goaersity of people are oreless in voted against the schains. The next point is iuds. I will now endeavour to answer to the is very inconvenient time, has wahave ing anything at all be a ing anything at all be admitted. Since the require-groutor space that we have at pre-ance. It is, however, obvious that it will be such matters, and will cominus eo, bat with not officially before us, that is, the increase of best of my ability the varions potuta raised by now on her so many pahle works which wa amount of the military contribution wa Stat

the military contribution was sent at our disposal. There is only one hopeless to expect the Imperial Government respect to a body of troops under canvas, salaries to offoials which the Commission re-the hot. member, First, as to the audit, the ought to do, which we want to d, and which wa fixed this Colony has largely increased in other item referred to by Mr. MACEWEN to to undertake the work at its own cost. The who hash is supposed to be nuesially commended, and as I am eutirely ignorant of hon. member is mistaken in supposing there is are not in a position to do. It may be a quer what the recommendation was I would suggest any opposition on my part to an Imperial audit. tion whether certain officers who are particular wealth and when it xoceives an addition to which we would now draw stfuntion, and British taxpayer is heavily burdened, and watched over, timely warning of changes in the szpadisticy of laying the report on the table. On the contrary I think it a thing abeolately ly pinched might not, in spite of the experience

expediency the forces it must expect to be called upon that is with reference to the Central Maricano Casement, whether Liberal or Conuer, the temperature ought to lead to the atoptassi balers if the matter rare publicly amanseaty. If for no other resign, for the satik. I have met tingel-bicanso it is possible that s to pay its proportion of the additional cost, Markel Cod watched over, timely warning of changes in what the recommendation was I would suggest any oppositions

ortion of the additional cost. Mr. MACEWEN expected to find this work vative, will readily incred disposition

that burden. tion of adequate precautions.

discussed it would benefit the sobome and sanist, Laction of the Governor himaoli. It is an ox: considerati a in their can overrides, the olive- te Secretary of state in arriving at a con-ceedingly nesursary thing. Tam sot going to tion Einded on experience-ba giren bonne at- clusion. We know very well when reports answer the points raised by tha- bon. member,commodation. Still, I think with the tany no 280 waking grimacea about it. Any neither the Governor, the Acting Co tribute their fall share to works of defence HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL of this description go home they are very apt to badanan I am not going to argue against things not done that ought to be done it is elsim for an increased contribution while onial Secretary, nor the Surveyor-General and to the maintenance of the military and

pigeon-holed, mara aspecially there mousy is a propositing which experienced Secretary of rather sa inconvenient time to propose the pain!. the garrison remains at its present strength should have answered the hon. gentleman naval establishments. We desd not look for

A manting of the Legislative Council was held concerned, and it may take many months to State says is a good one. The arguments have While on this point I may as well jump. though would of course bave to be resisted by every on this point. As a matter of fact we proots of this tendency we have them in on the 4th-izat. There were present:

arrive at a conclusion. The taxpayers generally not convinced mo baause I believe an Imperialit densot follow immediately, to the queatico what

In this Colony are fully agreed that where a clone sümlügbare entirely independent of the of public works, brane it is somewhat con- possible means

believe the idea of erecting the now the contribution demanded for the

H EXCELLENCT THE GOVERNOR, SIA G. case of hardship orists it should be rimedied. Governor might do all that is Danary on the woofed with the question to which, thẻ hơn. Some confusion seems to have prevailed market on the old site has been abandoned, struction of the fortifications, and the im- WILLLAY DES VIETA, K.C..G.

Undoubtedly rests are high. There is an old epot and wash quickier. At the same time, the member allied. Nobody is wore grievei on the subject of the vote for the defences. the adoption of the Praya reclamation pouding increase in the military contribution Her. A. LISTER, Acting Colonial Seerotary. maxim that a man should not spend moriatum Secretary of Stats Lacing that proposition bethan myself at the excessive delay that has In the Estimates for the present year a scheme having changed the conditions. It to go towards the cost of quartoring an-

BOR. A. J. LEACH, Acting Attorney-General. one-tenth of his income in rent, but I and fore him has overridden it, and I have nothing taken plaas in maps of the public works. stim of $18,626 was put down as "Balance, is desirable that the market should have alber regiment in the Colony. While there. Hen H. E. WODEHOUSE, C.M.G., Acting quite sure that were most people in this more to say. If it has the effoet X. believe it! eannot enter again into soms of the canang, Colony to live in horses at that ratio they will have, of being a mateke, I believe it but I have pretty well indicated them in Contribution to Defenses," which might Barrers naturally lead one to suppose it was a fidia water frontage and a delay of a few fore doing our best to reduce such demande Celozial Treasurer.

Hen. B. Deowa, Burveyor-General.

would have not only very poor accommodation will be found out Bofors long. At all events this Cogovil, and there is me in lamenting fyears, oven is such an important matter as to reasonable limits, it is idle to kick against balance In the Estimates for next year the the market, must be acquiesced in where the the pricke, and simple foolishnesa.

Hen. W. M. DEASE, Captain Superintendent but would have diffinity in Boding any at the amoant won't be mach. If it succeeds at all about the past. But I made anelution. that dear to deny of Felice.

all. I heard a practical suggestion the other in having the effect desired, in creating greater sa soon as we obtained a new Surveyor? torera) sum of $80,000 in set down for the same par- reason, is adequate. But what about the the justice of the claims that we should belp,

Her N. G. MICHELY-INNEs, Acting Ro-day that the Government should soapy regolarity and stopping abusos, it will be worth the whole system must be changed and aɛ on- pose and is not stated to be a balance, which present alte ? Is it to be allowed to lie idle according to our means, to provide for the gistry-General.

s and is not stated to to suppore that it for 2 We trust Mr.

certain portion of land and build houses for all all it costs and a great deal more, I should be tirely differant oue adopted for the purpose- might equally lead. one to suppose that it for a many years as the site of the Victoris protection of the Telaud against possible for

the offciale, that is to say, there should sorry if hon. mebere, even if they agree with of pressing forward the public works that of for was an addition. An examination of previous College was? We trust Mr. MADEwas will eign. attack. was an addition. A to suppose that it present site But what about the the pricke, and im

be a Chief Justise's bona, Colonial Secretary's me, should not pass this vote. I think are seriously required with something year's Estimates shows, however, the true unahis influence to prevent auch wanton waste.

house, and so on; but, at any rate, whether that hound to defer somewhat to the large experience more of arg-noy and somewhat more pi position of the matter. The Council agreed With the exception of the market, all Mr.

is feasible or not, your Excellency might por of the Secretary of State in many colonica certainty than box been the care in the kapocnsider the position of the lower branches Although the Arguments are not convinced part Consequently e acona Mr. Browa in the dret place to vote £60,000, sod, sub MacEWER's points were fairly dealt with by sequently, another £60,000, The whole of Sir WILLIAM DES Vary in his reply, and

if the Sertive, as I am given to nadors and that was still one cannot help feeling that any in- had had time to look about him I gave him carle married men, in the Poice Fures partionlarly, ability to see things in the same light or to put biche to say what staff was required to do this this sum was never actually voted by way of the Colony ja fortunate in having a Gover- eILLIAM DES Varr in his reply, and

are badly housed and sufer a great deal of bard. in a favourable light what I do not approve of list of puldie works within a reasonable time- appropriation, but from year to year such nor to evidently, willing to give sa impar- amounts as it was anticipated would be re, tial and unprejudiced consideration to all guired during the year, have been appropri- matters placed before him. and in the ordinary way; when the smount #oet naide has hoon exceeded the balancƏ has been provided for in the Supplementary Appropriation Bill. The sums actually ex- pended are shown in the following tablo:--

upon to

It iw, of course, never pleasant to pay away completed on his return; the site has been In fact there is most decided disposition mones, but when the claim is irresistible it is levelled, and that is all. D is singular that in Downing Street to make the Colonies cou-

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1886.

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79 384.45 217 01:45 258,47%22 €2,115,90

Total 19614,490.72

MR. FRANCIS AND THE PEAK DRAINAGE.

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Hon. P. RYKIE.

BUL WONG Sutro.

Hon. C. P. CHATER

Hot: A. P. MAC£WEN.

Hon. J. J. KESWICK:

Mr. A. SETH. Clerk of Councils.

MINUTES.

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The minutes of the last meeting were read ship in this respect. Now, sir, with reference may be due to a want of sagaoily on my part say a year or a year and a half-and what stuff

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MT. FRANCIS's absence from the mesting of the Sanitary Board on Friday last is to be and benfrmed.

to a reduction of taxation. Your Excellency I rather than to any rant of goodness in the pro- is required for carrying on the works of the co-

loyab know had this ader your consideration and position itself. Therefore Ishould be glad that my uab as we are likely to have dudug the regretted lasting of regretted. It would have been interesting to know what Ee would have had to say to

The two rotes recommended by the Fizzoo would have approved it had it not been for in spite of my opinion sa opportunity should be next few year. Of course he was somewhat de the Surreyor-General's remarks on the Peak Committee at its last testing, 3105 for expenses the damage caused by a recent severe rain gives of trying the parimert. But as to aty layed in that by the storm; still, in about and Mr. Francis's attitude in re in connection with the nursing staff of Sisters at storm, which amounted to $120,030. I aar objection on my part to an Imperial audit, on the five weeks after his arrival reported. drainage and Mr. Francis's attitude in re the Government Civil Hospital, and $45,617 for given to usderstand you would have seen your contrary I think it most desirable. At all Ile found a great say things innsl THE PROPOSED DIRECT CABLE

BETWEEN HONGKONG ANDgard to the same. Os the correspondence completion of the Tylam Water Warka, were way to redne, taration from 18 per cout the events, it would prevent a great anny things wanted and without which the Department

which bad beau circulated amongst the voted. MARIA BINGAPORE.-

rate at which it at present stands, to the pre- being said that are sometimes said and which goat not be carried on satisfactorily. members of the Board Mr. FRANCI had

APPROPRIATION BILL 1890.

vious rate, 10 per cent. Your Exo lleasy is nood bardly any it is very undesirable should If toy recollection serves me right. in August minute to the to discon the socond radios OCAL TREASURER Recorded llancy world state your is hoad. Another lanes of the ponds. We are obliged

effect that the The question of the desirability of e-mide

The ACTING COLONIAL SECRETARY moved aware this is a griovons burden to many, more be said. With regard to the forts. I think last a requisition was sent to the Secretary of spocially the poorer classes, and it would be of I am right in saying the amount put down is State for a very considerable increase of the Pu- tablishing direcs cable communication be Peak residents should be advised to discon the second reading of this Bill.

The ACTING COLONIAL TEEASURnn seconded. interest to the public and this Council it your simply the balano of the vote already passed by blic Works staff. Until we have received that tween Hongkong and Singapore was brought meat from the drainage svetam until it was

Ho AFP. MacEwen-Bit, the second read Excollancy would state your views in reference to the legislature. I believe this is simply the hainerones L'Fear the same pngatalaotory state of to the fore once wore by the Hon. A. T. properly Busbed. On this the Surgagar The amount voted for the present year was MacEWEK st the last meeting of the Le General ways that so far from the residents ing of the Appropriation Bill has gonerally your future policy under this houd. Another lansoo of the vote passed years ago and which has things willcontinue. I believe that the Surtsyer $19,623, and wo bellows the satual expendi- gislative Council. The importance of this being inclined to disconnect, several applica sorded the unctioial members of this Genneil matter I wish to bring to the notice of the Go. not been spended. We are obliged to put it Gereral and has very few who are assisting opportunity of reviewing the past policy of serment, and I may say it is mors at the in. down because it has not been expended. You hin are doing all that is possible, bat until we by tions have been made, even while the alleged the forement and of offering if necessary tigation of the Christa optre of the town, Bou A P. MACHWEN-It is not termed ture has not been much more. Something teation, we are glad to notes appears the

Chinese, with a view to the ro will see it is not a round ano. therefore still remains of the £120,000, ay degrees to be ainting into the winds of the defests have been under consideration, to con- any bints or suggestions with regard to the lef of overcrowding in the centre of the town. Beu. A. P. MacBwEN-It is not tormed we are doing. We wra wariously andermauned £20,000; but it is impossible to alate the 03. anthorities and public alika. Frant the very nect wit

nect with and extend the drainage; and one policy to be pursued in the future. And I believe your Brodlency las already bad balance. act amount in sterling, in the absence of the commencement, when the idea was first of these was from Mr. FRANCIS himself, who in speaking this evening I may say it afforda it sunder consideration, and I mention it now to His EROELLENU-I think I am right in say and I only hope we may get some suistantia get such men here Apparently we have been rates of exchange at which the conversion mooted, we have urged the necessity of sucir seked for a similar system of drainage in me personally muef satisfaction to address your serlain your siewe on the subject of the ring it is the balace of à vie already passed by relief in the course of a few mos the. We cannot

course, has been made. The Council is, of course, s prevision, both from a local and from an connection with Magazine Gap. Mr. Brows Exellency on the paint, beesuse previous te moval of the lived brothel, or ae they are the Council and that has not been expended. bound to vote up to the extent of the Imperial standpoint. Whilst admitting that thus neatly turned the laugh against one of my departure two years ago I ventured to mers commonly Lerzand strang the Chinese. - Hon. P. Rxers here interested a question underpaying our public servants. It seems to

bring €120,000, in accordance with its resolation it is a work that should be undertaken by she chief antagonists of the system which bring to your notice some pressing needs and sensed hotels, from the Central district. As a as to whether the Council had a right without me we have been getting them for the last few

of 1 last effect, if the money is requbtedly at missing link in the day encircle the British

the purpose of..anpplying private Arms. On the Imperial Government as an essential yet bae best so severely condemned but which requirements in this Colony, and I find on precedant I may say this has already been done legislation to pass any more for audit than was years in the Public Works department for

return some of my suggestions have at Singapore and. I beliers, at Peng Ua down in the Civil List. Mr. MacEwan is that undoubtedly at missing link in the electric girdle that should nevertheisse seems to meet with some boot acted on and an undeavour has doubtedly they are depa of Bith, and I think His EXCELLENCE-If you will give notion after the other leares ua, and now I beer

jays home there has been a great deal of exag and will yet some day socircle the British amount of appreciation. Mr. FRANCIA, when been made to give practical working effect to from a sanitary point of view their removal of the question I will answer it. I caucot that suolher, on lears of absesee, has also lef gerated talk about the wealth of the Colony empire, it must also be allowed that as he returns from his island, will, we suspect, others. Now hetta Guverour ma come before would be a great benefit to this Coloty, and per newer you now with respect to the arrange as I only hope my representations to the in fact certain officials look upon it as no adding to the security of the colony and have some explanation to offer, and if she is Council with the very highly satisfactory baps as Mr. Chalwink is in our midst he might menta with regard to the Civil list. They were Secretary of State will be successful Dorado, and they will make us pay scoord giring it increased facilities of communics Surveyor-General has in any way uisunderstatement your Excelleney has done on this be approached and requested to rive his riows on sattled before my time. I am now dealing with have not heard yet, but the coming vat of dis ingly. The hon. gentleman thinks Hi Eron Hongkong may fairly be asked to oon stood the learned gestioman'a application occasion there is nothing but congratulation to the sabject. Apother matter is the dirent cable the forte and as I believe the amoest put Chadwick and the assistance he will require fu offer, and i may say I do that in the most hearty between this and Singapore, and that. I baliew, down is the balanco of the vota, strands passed his work brought the want to snol a piteb that

third or fourth time t celleney's recent report may rather tend to tributes reasonable sum to the cost of the or given a wrong colour to it, wo may expect mater, more especially as I know it has beer has already had your Exoallaner's attention. It In fact it was only or that understand. am going again for the confirms the Imperial Authorities in that enterprise. During the Franco-Chinese war, soms straight speaking. As the matter in the past the policy of this Government to go to store that the

may be of some interest to this Connell and the ing it passed

Connell and the ing it passed ms. If it is not I shall take press the Ecoretary of State by telegram to com view. He is a believer in the principle that the need of such a direct cable to the next stands at present the ating geems to bare under-estimate rather than to over-estimate, and publie to know that the Imperial Authorities, hlams is diyaalt for not having drawa special ply with the requisition made several month it is wise when a man is worth £10,000 that British coaling station strongly suggested it been completely taken out of almost all its I have no doubt that when the actual results are strong, a fason of that schame, but, as attention to it. As is ths. nsocial rion of the go. I am doing my best to get the officers to

works, FRANCIS has said against the Peak drain of these figuros, a knows the handsons balasast, it is a matter of money, The Imperia, Contrast the to the angoist view of the carry at this list of pablo raris, nearly all of bo should lead his friends to believe be bat self, andit was warmly prged that the Imperial Mr. FRANCIS has said against the Peak drain of these figures are knows the handsome halaeaal, it is a matter of mpany. The Imperia Colony, only £5,000, and thinks it should be applied Duvernment was a July to its subjects inge. The true state of the case with regard anse you have now laid before us will he very Treasury refuses to vote anything towards fiolaim made upon us for av additional Imperial which are very mob required sad some of ther

al antarably e du these you caapest in dealings between the Crown Colonies and the Far Esalotably in Hongkong and the so the drainage we take to be this, that considerably increased. In your spesok on the at any rate at present. The schema on fact is contribution, I think I mentioned at the last very bitterly required; If we get the sta the Imperial Authorities. But the principle Treaty ports of Ciston-bound to close up while the systers is far from perfect (chief- first reading of this Bill you introduced several to connect by cable Borneo. Singapore, and meeting that since I wrote my report I have hare every confidenos, in the Surveyor tonera Hongkong. The Eastern Extension Telegraph going to be to believe that the works be earried on a highly sought of by Mr. Madwar is this hiatus in the telegraphic cominusical ingly owing to the want of a sufficient water matiere of interest to the public, and to this company ask a subsidy of £31,000 per annum had offriol induation that we are good within a reasonable tice, bat without the increas

called upon to Fay so et Som for addi- one which it is not considered legitimate to with the mother country. But the Imperial supply) it is a great Improvement on Now, it appears to me to bo quanimously agreed for a certain number of years. This subsidy tonal regiment that is to be out here. I don'ted staff I can give very little hope of any di apply in dealings with the Collector of En Government which would not hear the gast the cess-pit system, and those residents taat in view of the inmessed financial import asked for dous appear to man to be monstrous. Of know whether my report may assist, as the hon. mitution of the protected delays that have pre come Tax neither can a Governor Us expect of the construction of the fortifications of the whose bodies have been connected with soos of this Colony in is desirable an indeped course I am only dealing with Hongkong's member suggests, it strengthening the clairs vailed in the past: As to the reduction of tax ed to mislead the Secretary of Biste. We sling stationis unfortunately not likely it would not willingly seo a reversion ent, trained and experienced auditor should be share, £18,000 to be divided between this aud por us for that sum or whether it may asistation, I bave thought over bat ambjent for sour look to the Governor to fight the battles of to provide a direct cable between the two to the latter. That drains are better appointed to the post. The only bous of oats Singapore. I am aware that in suy negotiations towards deviating it: all I know is that I bas time, and I would have been glad to have fol the Colony with the Dawning Street Autho- Colonies of the Far East without some con- thas gens pits in De reason why people tention I can see is su to whether this audit on this important subject your Excellency is endeavoured to speak the truth. I have justified in providing for it this year, bu

seas-pite be under Luperial suparisio. Now, placed in a delicate position; but I am convinced neither ross-coloured the situation or the re- many ochiderations have been before rition, but not to use as one of his weapons tribution from both towards the outlay, should not agitate to bare the draine made

sir, I have carefully read the correspondence on if you were to take Eis matter up in the enerver, and for no purpose whatever could I feel point to the imprudens of amking a reduction jud either misrepresentation or conces Imant: His Bacallegoy the GOVERNOR, in replying to as perfect as possible, but it does seem a rose pet and I am bound to pay that the oh-gotio sod able manner yon d, for instance, myssif justified in wiring a differant obaracter now. Is the first pince we have got, iba naanin

the Sir WILLIAM DES VOUx naturally says that Mr. MADEWER's observations on this subject, son why they should not accuse the Govern-jections raised against the Imperial azdit seota the negotiations with the Chinese Government to the position of the colony- then it possesses, que recommendation that the salaries of ofisis for us purpose whatever would be feel him arowed his complete gouveraion in favour of pst of any very great crime in having laid to as to be more or less trivial, snob for in for a fight on Gap Rock, uut only would the rab. While mentioning the position of the colony Isbonld be inorsaned, which will post a very oor melf justified in representing the position of the scheme, admitting that Admiral Sir the drains.

stance, as the trouble entailed on the various deady be reaved, Eat that, we should soo direct have mentioned also that we are paying more siderable sum. In the next place we have th the colony as ciberating the position of the schoplete gouveraion in favour or they should not acou

partments in producing duplicate vonohews; and telegraphic communisation between this and Bin than any other colony. I dan sosvoely think that exceedingly indetuite demand, which has neve your bosilaney in your despatch, alluded to the gapors at ue very distant date. I have made will be a ground for asking mors from me, but been formulated, with regard to the troop rexatious delays that you have known to occur very curatul inquiries as to the cost of deep es whether or not, this determination Bas been se Then we hares.large amount of public work in sorrespondence on andit queries, extending cables and I find it amounts to the moderate rived at before that report could get home. If my suggestion had been adopted for raising from a few months to sometimes tre years. But of £100 per mile. Now, taking 1hr distance And this demand is made on a specific ground, loan, it is quite clear that with our large exce and His Begollency the Govercur. We he question, but vory sessibly suggested that The question of therecent excessivemortali if I understand the matter correcty, if you up betwein this and Singapore, about 1,500 miles, Hitherto we have had and regiment, now we of revenue over expenditure, it would not lieve that if the proposal to establish such a negotiations could not very well be com-ty at Kowloon was discussed at the meeting point an entirely independent auditor to the you have a sum of £150,000, and all I on are to have two. I presume the extra payment diffionit to reduce considerably, the taxation

and found burenu were renewed it would be found that wenced until the Colony had made up its of the Sanitary Board on Friday. The figures post he would accept the responsibility in that say is that, it that matter were properly brought will not be asked for until the extrs regiment the Colony; but for some rosion or other tha the opposition with which it was received wind, as to what contribution it could offer are certainly startling The number of case; by that I mean that when be has onon en hefore the public of this colony, we caid it comes At any rate. I am Informed officially is very strong reluctance or the part of H in some quarters on the previous scossion has to the cont Will the community ears to deaths registered in the district in the dited the accounts of any particular department necessary add another to our many joint stock some demand is going to be made uponns; more Majesty's Government to approve of loan, as subsided for the most pars into simple ja par any subsidy? Mr-MACEWEN represente month of November wne 71 as against 41 in he would be weapons that may be put and if the pore Telegraph Company, based on satual I share the hon. member's rogest, that we havde put of borrowed money, Unit

responsible himself for the answers to expanies and start the Hongkong and Sings than that I cannot say. As to the statistics, we have to do ost of income what most optezi any ansh qupations that may pat. do of that chang difference. The Hon. A. F. MACEWEN the Chamber of Commerce in the Council, the same month of the previous year, which is to be independent of the Government of this principles, and I for nos bellave the comporn no statistion, and the more I think of it, the more 11 ses little chauns of reducing taxation. will probably be able to ascertain the and the Committee of the Chamber have was the highest number recurded up to that Colony, who would be weeldered his superior would pay. I think it must be patent to mit dimonit founderstand the validity of the ob present moment ja very inopportune or feeling more definitely by comuni twice thrown cold water on the proposal so time. This excessive mortality is confined Weald it ast be the Audit Office at home Porary thinking man that we should not be en notions against it. However, you know, after We have this large list of public works feeling more definitely be the and the Committee of the Chamber the same month of the previous year, which any each qusations that may tation with the members of the Climat as a contribution from Hongkong to the to the Chinese population, but amongst the do not mean to say it is a matter of absalute tirely dependout for communication from Great toollection of statistics had been recommended do, and we have large increase to t bios through iwe possibly bustile by the Chamber of Commerce, the pressare on vocmanant expenditure in prospect, fert ber of Commerce, Hia Brollen in oable in concerned. On the last gespion, in European residents there has boon a corsi hoocalty there should be supervision, but a Britis the meantime is maturing scheme for the letter to the Colonial Secretary dated 11tb derable amount of sickness from fevers, and matter of principle I don't see any great ob powers. Of cours people may Others like the angiolal members needs great that seasons, partly for salarise and party for t the meantime is maturing sopastion, but amongst the do not mean to say it is matte collection of statistics by obtaining retaine May lasts replying to a propulition aubosit Dr. Axens tells us that excessive sickness was jection to it. And I ate that the late touted lihood of it," L 5t is possibility, and considering there seemed to be almost unnimity against military increased contribution: With all thi botomist Secretary, Departs said the the interesta at stake, apt only in this colon bne it on their part in this Council. As I said then. I infose I think it would be a very reth frape Colon from: the countries with which this Colony ted by the Eastern Extension Telegraph also reported amongst the troops, that aliyem might not be without its advantages British interests in Chlen and Japan, I think it hope time may alter the hes.: members' opinions to reduce the taxation, because it would affor baseradal relations, which he hopes will Company to lay a obla oid Borneo un cun of them were down with fever in few days, and would be worth a trial Now, as is matter that should be carefully considered, Every day. I bos ways in which the absenon of very great probability of having to raise it ag make up to some extent for the abssure dition of receiving subsidies from the Cho-but that there was no particular mortality gards the users. I see the hon. matber the and I ommend it to the consideration of your statisties prejudice the Colony, not because we shortly. When I made my proposal for decre of a bureau of our own. Buch statistics vernment interdated for a certain number cause the casen were rapidly looked after. It present Acting Colonial Secretary considers that Excellency. With regard to publle works, I want to have our grandeur or insignificanseing the taxation, I sunless I saw no reason wh will no doubt be useful, but' they will be of years, the Chamber said "shat though is the day of the Banitary Beard, if nothing under 36,000 a year suvald be paid way stato that I am were the Surveyor-General show, but because mech-statistics would draw over why certain of the public works, especia

the colony as other than be conceiver it to be. NowELL SALMON's arguments had strongly

The pest point tosoked upon in the absence influenced bim. Sir WILLIAM DESTRUI WOOL

of baroan of statiation in the colony, which on to exprese his readiness to open communi

in lamented both by the Hon. A. P. MACEWAN cations with the Secretary of State on the

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