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rato than arbitrary measure and treachery. The bad faith 'withagbloh these people have been treated in phat years has dene wuch to perpetuate the feud between thor and the HRONICLE AND DIRECTORY colonists. The importance of securing then the 16th inst. for T 2,000. We (Daily taken virtually the place of Paola, Hubbell & Co.
The Bwks ago in the Yangtage be- the General Managers The British barque Batavia, which got on and leave the appointment to the divoration of tween the Two Batanes, and was sold at pablin The CHAIRMAN saunot very well do anotion, and which was afterwards got off and that. Manila originally was on the same foot- brought to hangbai, was again sold at nuotioning as Amoy, and Warner, Hodgett & Co. bars News) doliere she is to be broken up.
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pesca of the territory on which their fast- neases abut may perhaps indaco 20 sagacione;
Mr. DONLOF-I nederland thoy have great number of votes in Manita who will sup Herr Köhler gave another pianoforte resital port them, all the Maxilo sharoffolders in fact."
Captain TALBOT-I don't think my motion at St. Androw's Hat: last night. The favour an offel as Cao to try what liberal Lrentable impression created by this talented perfor- can be carried, because I think they have 1,100 moet and fair play end do towards subâninger on his first appearance had the effect of shares at their back. I morely wish to plan it the asrural farecity and distrust of the wild securing him a condidembly larger audiouce, cu record. When the Company was formed I
and the applanan was again enthusiastic. had objection to the perpetual agencies, tribes of the inland. -
Her Kohler is a thorough master of his intru- The CHAIRMAN-At that time your objections ment in avory style at masia, and his wore really of no acerunt, because the people who Porformance last night was a treat such as started it hold the sharea They thought it the public of Hongkong have not often the op-would teen out a good thing. Unfortunately it
has not turned out ec.
Captain TAL-I don't object to Tait and portunity of onjeying.
Co. having the privilege. They had a right make any arrangontent they could when the Compray was formed. But I don't admit the right of Warner, Blodgett & Co.
The Agents (Mesure. D. Sasson, Bans & Co.) inform us that the atomer Aratoon Apcer, from Calcutta, left Singapore on Tuesday for tale
Will which is incorporated THE CITINA DIRECTORY. TWENTY-FIFTH ANNUAL Iwuj COMPLITE, WITH APPENDIX, PLANS, &ó, ko, Royd Bro., pp. 1,150.35.00. SMALLBREDON, Dyl.8vn., pp. 773 $3.00. THE CHRONICLE AND DIRECTORY ins hea thoroughly revised and brought up to date, and it again much increased in bulk.
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Hia Forleney Hang Ven-hing Chinoo Minister to Germany, Austria, and Italy, arrival at Tientsin on the 8th inst, and was abortly to: leave that port for Shanghai en route to Europe.)
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Lagos, 19th September, FRENCH REPUBLICANS AND THE ROUVIER MINISTRY. The Hépublique Francois pubillaher a Maal Owing to the inclemency of the weather, the Rust to the affect that to strengthen the intanded trowel performance of Chincios Cir-Repable would probably overthrow M. Roavier Lens did not coas of last night. It is advertised. viewhore that the performanos will take place this evening.
The Formosan sarages, according to the pa, are still giting much trouble in fue nor Thern part of the island, and have recently killed many persone. The Governor has therefore do oiled ɔ marah sgainst them as soon as the woa. ther becomes cooler,
A RUSSIAN ILLUSION. A tenutiousry tendendy appears in the Mas- Low Gaselle. It states in a recent article that the people of India trust to Russia to liberate them from the British yoko.
THE GALE.
A strong wind sprang up about 7 p.m. on Tuesday evening end blew vigorously through ont the night and the greater part of yesterday Torcosts of rain fall co Tuesday night, and thers were some heary slowers yesterday. All business alost wax ausproded and the junks and simpans took shelter on the opposite side. The English ranil steamer Brindis on her ar
The CHAIRMAN-But is it not better they Bold to the agents when they are backed by the majority of the Vanile sheroholdere? Thoy ara preferred by the Manila shareholders: thorea fora it seems to me it is better they should bo there. They have mora indaence than strangers would bare
Captain TALDO-I am not objecting at all to Warner, Blodgett and Co, but elreply to the principle of the thing. I don't see how it is boneficial to the Company that they should have this permanent egency.
The CHAIRMA-It has been stated before it is not permanent, but only for so long as the shareholders choose.
Mr. GEORGE-If thoir tafuence wanss they sen be removed.
The CHAIRMAX-lodgett was the man, to all intents and purposes, who did the work when Poole, Habboll and Co. oxisted.
&o anatica was held on the 16th inst. at the Shanghai Herau Bazuar, when twenty-six osor.
and ponies were offered. The Daily Notes that there were some large nice looking animals Tano.
amongst the lot, vine of which found purchasers Mers. Strent & Co. Cerebillat sable prinex, Tls. 40 being the highest
of the dealers to nocept moderate prices, figure sceptel, thiol shows a desire on the part
The following is the Order of the Day for the meeting of the Legislative Council to-morrical from Shangbat wohl over to Mala-tong.much cargo from Warner. Blodgett and Co. as the 23rd instank, në 1 pm, cá
Mears. Uate, Hondy & Co
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1.The Hourable the Acting Colonial Seerotary to move that a sum of $25, U be voted tawards the celebration and commemoration of Her Majesty's Jubilee
-Thirl reading of the Bill entitled an Ordinance for unending the laws relating to Public Hexith the outery of Hongkong.
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Wo: V roury) terrat to record the death of Mrs. Lord, the wife of the Eov. E. C. Lord, D.D., of Ningpo, She was confined (child still. born on the 11ta instant, and died on the 15th from the effects of cholera, &o. We are sts any to state that, according to our vision, dated the 16th, the Rev. Dr. Lord way danger
The Pacific Mail steamor City of Rio de Janeiro, which should have left yesterday, was culiged to postpons her departure until daylight this morn-I ing. Several other vessels were also unable to ieave for their different destitutions Little Auwage appears to have resulted from the gale, so far as is at present kuuwa. A jlurjekcha was sa Tuesday evening oanght by a sudden gust of wind and curried right off the Prays into the sea, from whence it was resbued only after mask 'diff anlty. A boat containing some of the apprentices tres the Bizzaboth Nicholson who had come on
Captain TALBOT-1 dot want to lusinuste anything against them, only I don't think they should be given this permanenos, because prao- finally it is giving them the permanent agency. They have the bulk of the shareholders at their back, in fact all the sharebelders at Matila.
Mr. DUNLOP You want people who contri. bate cargo, not simply those who have stares.
The CHAIEMAN-Jy experienos is we got as we got from Peale, Hubbell nad Co., the same cargo at about the same rates.
Captain TALFOT-I wish it to be understood don't insinuate anything against Warner, Blod. gott and Co.
gth of the shuro-
Mr. Mosss-d: it në holders we will retire,
Mr. GEORGE-Why retire? Mr. R. SHEWAN-We have every confidence in the ability of the Committee, but we say we cannot afford to pay them. And, furthermore, they have not the time to attend to the baslacss. Kr. OzoBGR-I don't noe that you can may that, if they like to give the time.
Mr. It. BREWAN-Well, their serviors would as It is proposed the fee bo merely nomina), ebaold be.
Mr. MOSED-No, we simply retire. The motion was then put and carried, only the Chairman voting against it.
Captain TALBOTIs the Chairman voting in is en name only!
His Worship said he would geard Mr. Gald. wall's application sad discharge him with the other two.
Mr. Caldwell and he did not think for a me mont that there would be any diffenity in got
The case against the remaining two prisoners ting hiru to appear as a witness. was remanded till this morning,
Mob Ayak was then brought before his Wor- ship charged with unlawful possession of certain articlon belonging to Mea. Wohlters.
Maris Wabiters.4-The articles in oyurt are part of my missing property. I know nothing of the prisoner. These articles were in a box in
my_rock,
Prisoner said the charge was a false one. She kuow nothing of how the things came to be in
Her husband was away at present. her house.
His Worship romanded the esse till this
TIENTSIN.
10th September. The floods having overflowed the Eastern back of the Poi-ho River a great part of the surveyed line, where the futuro Tientsin-Tako Railroad will rux, is at present under the mud- dy wave. On many pointe of the line, the eve can only 800 a vast expands of inundated country. of times studded with the sails of antire craft. The work of pushing on the road in these places is therefore seriously retarded. In one respect, bowuvux, this year's unusually high flood li
one good, and that is, it has warned the an gineers that they must construct the road on m loved which must be absolutely above the roach any flow or somumulation of water, which com sweeplug southward from all sides of the South. set watershed of Chihli to and its way the Gulf. On both ends of the road, the energetin an. ginoers are making all preparations, na rails are how being shipped from England to arrive hore that house, stations and the whole of the iren rond will be ready and running by August of noks year.
The CHATEMAN-I am reting as Russell and Co. and in my own name, but not on acconet af } the Manifa shareholders, because, although we morning. know their fooling, wa hare ont been instructed.
Mr. DUNLOP proposed that there be only one PROGRAMME OF THE SHANGHAhafore the close of the river. It is expected
auditor instead of two. He said two saditors seemed necessary and that one could surely do all the work there was.
The CHAIRMAN said he understood the obj of having two anditora was that one should keep
check on the other.
Mr. DUNLOP said that he had done a great deal of auditing in London in connection with largo companies, sud he had no secans anditor to
on a chenk npon him.
Hr. GEORGE-Ah, they didu't know you well enough. (Laughter.)
Mr. DUNLOP, sațiumag, said it was simply a matter of economy, and he thought on anditor was safolent, or, as they were reducing the capital of the company, the two auditors ought
to take the foe of one.
Mr. R. SHEWAN-Ås coouomy is the order of the day, I second the motion.
Mr. GEORGE said be was in favour of two an- ditore, but perhaps thay, would take a smaller Teo. Ho waked what the foe war.
The CHATEMAN said he thought it was $100 each.
Xr. GEORGE-Perhaps they would take $50. The CHAIRMan said he was in favour of two auditors.
After some further movereation on this point Mr. Dunlop's motion that there be one auditor instead of twa was put to the meating. The rating boing equal, the Chairman gave his post- ing voto against the motion, which was accord. imp lost.
The CHAIRMAN-I think that is all the busi- nota. I thankyou very much for your attendance We shall require another meeting in two weeks' ting to confirm the resolutions passed today, and The CBAIRMAN-No I only asked you beat the same time you must be prepared to bring couse I saw you did not vote either way. I wanted forward some namas to take the place of the Con- to know whether you wished it pat down. alting Committee, who have retired.
Mr. Geozen-Qua yeu anggest any one else? Captain TALPor-I don't wish to zagrest any one else. They know more about running the steamers that any one else, bat it is a question of principis.
MT. GEDROC-Have they retired P
The CHAIRMAN-Mr. Moses has retired, and be does not think Mr. Chater will remain. At any rate that will be for your consideration.
AUTUMN RAGE MEETING.
FIRST DAY, 3rd Nuvember.
The Arsenal has been lately employed in mak
The MALO PLATE: value, Tie. 100; for Chinsing balloons for the Viceroy. Two of them ponies; weight for fuchas as per scale; en-wing finished and ready, experiments were made trance, Tle. S. Half-a-mile.
before H.E. Li Hang-chaoz at hig Yamin to- The CRITERION STAKES; a woepstakes of day. Que of the balloons made of paper and
Tia. 1 sach, with Tia. 100 added; for China abast 10 feet in diameter was inflated with hy ponies; weight for inches as par soals; soon drogen gas sad as it'rose in the air, It was freed. Mush astonishment was evinced by the natiyas. pany to save his arakes One milaThe other halloon-was wulant dilk. The er
The ManeN STATES; valee, Tis. 200; second bibition gave the Viceroy overs satisfactico, sad pony, Tia. 50; for China ponies that have never he expects in the future to manufacture balles04 run at any moating: weight for inobes as por for all warlike purposes and to spy into the scals; entranus, Tis. 10. Three-quartern-of-aerots or ambushes of China's long.-Daily mile..
News Correspondent.
The CL CEP: value, s. 100, added to
Seapstakes of Tis. & mal; for China ponies; weight for inches as per saalo; griflus at date! of entry allowed 7lbs. Two alles. The Jockar Our; valna, Tls, 100; for China' ponies that have never won & race; to be ridden by Jockeys who have never had a winning mount before thin wooting; weight for inches 3s per sole; cntrapos, Tle. Öne mile. The PAGODA CUF: Talus, The. 150; second pony, Tls. 50; for Obins ponies, being bona fide grifins nt date of entry; weight for inclos as per scale; entrance, Tis. 5. One unile and a LAIT.
PEKING.
9th September. The Emperor's birthday, 6th moon 28th day, was celebrated on the 28th day by the visit of congratulations of sil the high functionaries of Poking. The real birthday was aroided as, be.. ing the let day of satama, the Emperor had to worship at the sancstral tombs on that day.
Baron von Ketteler his proceded to Tientsin to tako temporary charge of the German Consulate. The present incumbent, Dr. Reticl, is considered
alble.
The EaçinG STAKER; & Krospatakes of Ts. 10 dengerously ill and will go home on leave if ps- each for China ponies; weight for inchos aH Sinep writing the above, some days ago now, por sale; grifios at date of entry allowed 71ba.we have been enjoying beautiful conl warther. One mile and a quarter.
We have had up to the premut about 15 inches
The HACK STAKES; value, Tls, 100: for Chins of rafa in all this year. As shering the resalt ponies (without the restriction to height of the great dry hant in July, it is worth record- apucilled in Bye-Law No. 11) not otherwineing that as soon as the rains came the leaves of entered at this meeting, and that have never won a race weight, 101, 12ita; entranos, Tis. 5. Onda round.
Captain TALDOT--I think we mighḥ pas a robe of thanks to the Committee for their past sorvions. I am sure they understand it is simply as a matter of secnomy that this has been p38994 The
ously ili with chora, and his death was hourly shore and were returning was taken possession formation of the Cotopans. I don't wish my I propose a vote of thanks to Mr. Cbater and
xpeted. Mrs. Lord was interred at 4.80 p.m. on the 16th inst
The Shik-pap publishes a ngupast state paper by one Tabi La who has madu a special study of the Yellow River, He recorinade that the mouths of the river ba thoroughly dredged and desyoued; that the sand be kept in mation at tis places in its course where it is apt to get that advantage be taken at certain points wher the levels, ate suitable to relieve the river by means of strong Jocks or colverts, and that the river be kept where it is, in its most ancient and natural channel.
Shortly after ten e'look last night tas tire. alarm bella were set ringing indicating a ont- break in the western district. The conflagration took place in No. 78 Queen's Road West a drug-
of by the viud opposite the rebour Mastor's CE fice and carried down to the Sailors' Toma. Hore they managed to laut. Torpactor Swanston got them beds at the Home where they remained all night. The barometer appears to have variod little during the blow. On Tuesday at 4 p., it stood at 2970. Yosterday at 9. a.m. it 29.73. At 1pm. it had fallen to 99.71. 4pm. it was 29.72 and ut 5 p.. it had risen more to 29.73.
Mr. HaNDERSOS-Then it is equally applio able to Amoy.
Captain TALBOT-I say I objected to it at the motion fat.
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The original motion was therefore declared carried.
Captain TALBOT moved that the remuneration
Mr. Moses for their past services.
Mr. R. SHEWAN seconde. Carried noskimously.
Mr. DUNLAP-Jƒ få si at all necessary I will
of the Consalting Committea ba $5 instand of repeat that I have not spoken to any of the $2,000. He said-nder the present circum-partnere of Rzaseli & Co. in reference to my stancos of the Company the object of this motion action to-day. It has boon' entirely of my own seems velf-evident, astly, seonoray. The bust-free will, and I have not boen hiaseed by any ana Mr. Moses-It is not on aaaaaat of the toes, Atness of the Company, reduced to two stoners, bas
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become so perfectly simple that the services of but only the tanner in which it has been voted. a Couxalting Committee aedm to me perfectly Tho maitar was not left to us to ovasider.
Captain TALBOT-You know as much as any. nanocaąsary. I don't think the gentlemen the Committee at present consists of would love olso. cars to draw a sum of money amounting to more than one per cent of the capital, and I
Mr. Moses Only what I saw in the paper. Mr. R. SHEWAN-We could not tell the exact
am sure they will not stand in the way of this words of Captain Talbot's resolution. I took to economy. Thooness of the company as you Captain Talbot's letter, and that was all-we are putting it on a proper footing and making
Cormspulents are requested to forward their nagist's shop. Theolunteer engine was the first-An extraordinary general meeting of the Chionen & great hardship to many, and now that we get.
The CHAIGHAN Captain Talbot did not
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Mr. UzosGE proposed, and Mr. UyNLOP 10. conded, a resclation for redasing the present capital, $850,000, divided into $.500 shares of $100 eaca fully paid up, to $175.000 divided into ospital which has boua lost or in unrepresented
for some tira.
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The UHAIRMAN-As far as we are personally
SECOND DAX, th November. NORTHERN CUP; Paloe, Th, 100; for China pouios, weight for inches as per.
scale; winner of the Malos Plate 101bs, extra; en trance, Tla. 5. Half-a-mile. The BHANGRA ST. LEGER: a sweepstakes of Tle. sach, with Tis. -100 added; firat pony to renzíva 75 per cent.; a9cond pour to reosive 15 per cent; third pour to ressive 10 per cent; for Chins ponies that have never been rasad previous to the 1st January, 1837; weight 10at. 7lba; ponies over 14 handa to carry 3ihs. antry for every inch over; wianara of on
the trees began to fall and atroady half the foll ago has disappeared. The courtyards are litter- ed ovary morning with leares. This circum stance has not hitherto been observed. Instead at our trees being dennded of their leaves in August, they to not fall as a ralo till the end of Cotober and frequently not till the first frost in
November
Franah Legation pending tus arrival of the M. Sonbart has taken over charge of the Bewly appolated Minister, who was to leste France at the end of August. M. and Madame Soabart hare boon giving some dinner parties. I understand the Belgian Legation has at last bought quarters half way between blue prasent Legations and the Tang-li Yamee. Our folk are baglening to return from the hills. The Bassian Minister gives a diplomatic dinner on the 11th in honone of the Emperor of Russia
race, 5lbs, extra; two or more races. 10lbs. It is quite incorrect to say, wo believe, that extrs. One mile and three quarters.
the President of the Board of Revenge has poti- The CHIRL CUP; value, Tis. 100; for Chinationed the Throns against the American Syadi. ponios, baing bona Ade grillas at date of en-ose. Some bank or other is wanted here to do try. that have never been in Shanghai prior to the legitimate busincas of the capital, in kasus, 1st August la t; weight for inohag as por scale; ebe. The Gorman Minister has remained this winners, Alba.extru; entrance, Tles. 5. Ono milo. year in town all summer, and so have the com The AUTUMN Cre; value; Tls. 100; fer China bers of his Legation.-Daily News Correspondent.
ponies; waight for inches as per soule; en- trane, Tla 5. Three-quarters s of
mile.
THE RUSSO-CHINESE FRONTTER.
rasola-The-Scat STAKES, value, Th. 100, added to a
sweepstakes of Tls. 5 ach; for China ponies; weight for inches as per scale; wiansra at this At the extreme north-west of China is Kash. aceting of a race of one mile and a half or ovar,garia, whose recapture is of questionubie value 71b4. antra; two such races, 101b.extra. One to Cains. We doubt that the rivena kaya tha. mile and a half.
oot of garrisoning and idministration, und as co- gards defence the province cannot be protected The LLAMA MIAU STATES; value, Tis. 100; for in time of war. The Moslem population is hostile
China ponies; weight for inchos un per scale:
to China, and whenever it suits Rasaïa to enter -winners of one rade, 7lbi, ortray of two or more from Samarkand the country and its garrison
racea, 12lbs, extra; grifos st date of entry will be lost to China. It will not be possible for allowed 5lbs; entrance, Tls 5. One mile.
troops to retroat aarse the desert, or wil it The Suaranit Srames; a forend entry of Tis. ba nasible to send any pasiderable body of 5 for all panes ateral at this anyting except reinforcemate at a time of a segonay. It is thase in the Hack Stake; first pony to not likely for the presat that Resis will try to recdva 73 per cent, second peas. 15 per cent; take Kashgaria, as the Kiuuates are already third pouy, por cont. weight for inchas as toobeavy a tar upon Russian resources, but wher per Boule One mile and a half
ever the time comes for attack the Chinese focoas The Monger CUP; value, The, 150; for Chins will be found to be helpless, and that relief will
Mr. DUNLOP On the contrary, on the last occasion they showed great business ability. No two men in the colony could have better served the interests of the company. I think every one is pleased with them.
The meeting then terminated.
POLICE COURT:
21st September.
BEFORE ME. II. E. WODEHOUSE
THE TRIM-THA-THUI BURGLARY,
poates. being box fide grifins at dete of be impracticable. Kashgaria as an outlying antry; waight foringbon as par soale; winners possession, must therefore be regarded as rol of a rass of more than a mile, 7. extra: weakness to China. Il in almost as helpless D penalties socacelative; entrance, Tla. 5. One account of its inacoonsibility, and probably on zaile and a quarter.
the årst autbreak of war with Russia all Chinese troops would be withdrawe, if withdrawal be possible.
THIRD DAY, 5th Novembar..
The strategic value of Mongolia as an outwork for the defense of the Chinese Empire is delate- The HARBINGER CUP; Alus, Tis. 200; presented, oblo. It is known that a large part of the added to a waspstakes of Tis. 10 caph; aeroud tribal chinftaina, about ono-kall it is said, sen pony to roosive 30 per cent, and the third pour in favour of annexation to Barain. In fact 10 per geal, of the stakes; for China pories; p to 1867 at least four dopatations ware weight for inches as por scale; griffins at date sent by the Mongolian malcontents to Irkutsk, of entry allowed 71bs, winors 7ibs extra to ask the General Governors Mouraviff Amur One mile and a half.
sky and his sucoessor Korsakow for anexation.
The FLYAWAY PLATE, valo, Tla 100; for but the Czar Alexander II. rulased to assent. China ponite weight for inches as per scale: probably deeming the step inopportune, as fall entrance, Tla. 5 Saran furlongs.
digestion has even at this time not been made of The COSMOFOLITAR Cur; value, Tls. 150;he vast territories takon from China by the second pouy, Tle. 50. for China pontes Ignatie treaty, and he did not desire to have weight for inches as per sole: winLory at the additional burden of Mongolia. But if war this meeting of one race, 7lbs. extra; two bad broken out in 1878 or 1879. is conve ragas, 12lbs. extra: threo or more mosa, 18ba.of the fracters of the Chung How treaty, the extra; entranos Tis. 10. Ono mile and three disloyal Mongols would have declared themselves quartare."
Probably, asthe vast plainsdo notsuit themilitary The MANCHU STAKES; a sweepstakes of The.operations even of Chinese warfare China and sach, with Tls. 100 added, for China ponies Russia would have armed their respective parti sans, and the rival side of tribes would have magod that have ran and not won a race; firsh” pony
a war of extermination amongst themselves that to receive 70 per bent. second pony, 20 per would have soon left but for Mongols. Any ocat: third pony, 10 per cent.: weight for
way the Mongolizu people are dwindling yearly. irchas as per scale. One mile and a quarter. The killing of male infants, if more than tw
to get to work, and was quiably followed by Grand Masala Steamship Company was held at the
Mr. Moga-Of course they are quite right.. dartsuent engines 4 and 5 under the direction of son of the General Managers Moara Russell miss the sam i 32,000 is a great consider-write his spoook and hazit over to u
Me srs. Brower and Wagner. There was and Co, yesterday morning, for the purpose of aliouta az
M. DUNLOP asconto. He said the motion Captain TALBOT-I don't see how the stil bresas blowing at the time, and everythday passing certain special resolutions. There were seamed to meat with the spproval of most of the tion could have been put in any other form.
The CHAIRMAN-It could not have besa. pat soned favourable for a big fire. No. 76 quick present Mossen W. II. Forb (Chairman), J. ang lit. bat thanks to tin strenuous exertions of S. Moses (member of the Consulting Commit-shareholders, both in Manila and elaowhere.
The CHAIRMAN-We are not so sure of that, in say way that would have buon mora pleasant. both brigade the fire was broked at this point. No. ton), E. Goerge, F Honderson, H. M. Talbot, B.
Mr. DUNLOP The whole correspondence has It mizhthara bson proposed that the Committee- Tuna, barerar, burat out. The fire saget under Byramjos, P. F. Grimble, D. J. Dunlop, bean in favour of it..
be abolished, whereas it is simply to give them about a quarter past aleven. No. 80, to shop. Shawan, and B. Shawan (Secretary.)
Superintendent was alightly angel by water.
The SECRETARY read the notice confoniagThe CHIEMAN-Bat we are not so area nomina; fac.
Captain TALBOT explained that it was simply Waduhorse was present and directed the Guthe meeting.
of it. When the Company was formed it verament Brigade. The origin of the fire is st The CEAIDMAN-I don't think it is necessary was thought peossary to have a Consulting matter of economy, and to avoid the cost of for me to make any remarks on this occasion, as Comittee, as most companies here, and we don't ultering the actioles of asssolation, that he had presezi zakoOWIL
I think the notice is saliciant for the abares e sure about the wishes of the Tanila proposed the resolation in the way he bad.
sharhalders, as they have never been explicitly Mr. Moses--Any way it would hava haon We understand it is probable a sompaar will rand the enlightenment of the general dated to as Wa bara asked for esplicit iustrac- right if yon bad given the Consulting Committe
formed in Hongkong to take over the Tou
public. quín opium fay. The mode of collecting the Mr. Moses proposed, and Captais TALBOT tions with regard to this, and they have not yet notice.
been received. They have sent over thei: praxies. Captain TALBOT That, I understand, has pino tax in the saxury has bona andar cousiconded, a resolution providing that the Sonior which I holi, hut have not given instrations on been done, and I ayaelf informed you. deration for a long time past, and it was donb Partner or Principal Representative of the Ge this point. I know they want to have charges The CHAIRMAN-We have simply bean trying ful whether the Government waak kap theneral Managers for the time being resident in Perlms you would like to be cur to find out what the shareholders wish, and to do SEPTEMBER 22ND. 17. matter in its own hands or let out the manpo-
Hongkong chall be the Chairman of the Concharges redund. The m'ertuses of the Com-waar they wish. I wish to have the services of iy to a Parmer. The latter course has been £-
pany have, taron a great dont of work on na. Coneilting Commites. As I say, by relieving Wway that reforming Futai Tive JIN-CHANO Dally determined on, and the Farts has been ob
Carried..
We have better esraad onr remuneration than if us of Canting Commities the shareholders tained by M-de St. Mathurin, whose offer was
yhow that they are not against tho. Son eral let Fukjen a Formons, the schemes which much the most advantageons for the were-
Mr. George-It seems a large sum to pay for Managers, so personally I have nothing to my he had projected for the benefit and development. M. de St Matharia represents a syn
the company had been succesfied.
abeat it, but I prefer a Consalting Committas. ment of the beautiful isle soon began to date. coupposed, we believe of Hongkong Chiness.
the management of two steamers, does it not?
The CHAIRMAN-Weil, it is not so much now, Captain "ALBOR-I am mira Mr. M. langgist, and ere long matters relupoed inta / Accordig to the Courrier d'Haiphong the com3.500 shares of 350 each. by cancelling paid og because there are not so many at work. We dorstands-it is simply a matter of sanaomy.
pany will been a capital of 1,509,000 Teases nad
The CHASMAN-Yus, tbero has bean ac com- thofe old condition, nonthy governing the will be styled the Société fernices de l'ouium
are not paying 32.000. I have not taken mine by available assets.
plaint as to the way they have attended to the officials and rebuding pro ZIARS, The ac-da Teskin" The torn for which the ferm bas
Carrion
Mr. R. SHEWAN said the amount paid was business. been let is five years, from the 1st January, 1893, cupation of Kelang hehe French forces, to 31st December. 1992. There is to be a consegoaded,, a resolution for appointing Messrs. Mr. GemBLE proposed, and Mr. W. SHEWAN
$1,500.
Captain TALPOT-We had a wasting st Manile hawever, during the Pranos.Chipers war, al boiling ostaolish and a bonded ware Warner. Blodgett and Company special agents at which it was understood they wished to abs. at Manila, in lion of the late Messrs. Peale, Hablish the Consulting Committee altogether, and once more directed the streotion of the Chi. honse at Hanoi nada halk at Haiphong.
bell and Company.
I understand they had written to Russell und Co. The Fucokom Edo of the 17th insh sayar - nese Goverment to the resources, mapalili.
Carried. Groans are heard on every side about the paon at tige and bmportance of Fariness. The appoint which the Ton sport is baug seat forward. Up
Mr. DUNLOP proposed, and Mr. BYRAMID tatiog that that was their wish I think they ment of Lto MING-CHDAY to users to the end of Anpost nearly 25 millions of seranded, a rosclation for expuuring Article 11 are avaimous this should be one of the economies. of the island and its seelan into a separate pounds ner shippil from this port; and mand inserting in its place su article empowering concerned I can only say we wald take it as a sidering that the monthly deliveries of all Chies the General Managers to appoint, remunerato, province were the meal of the attention tos in Lowton average under den millions and reinors local agents and appoint new ones apligant, leaving everything in ons bands, Mr. R. SHEWAN-If a poll is taken the mo given to the mintter. The new Geremor his mouth, it was surely to be expasted that ship at any ports (including Amoy and Manion and not haring anybody to consult. certainly eight the marile of Mise, but he eats would now be lessened rather that is the tormiation of the Spesial Agencleould be carried. It is the wish of shaze- combines sit; that reteran's energy ili ured. Yet we find that three millions were Mesare Tait and Company sad Messrs. Warner holdara at Hongkong and Manila that the Con-
sent off in the feet wook of this meath and little Blodgett and Company.
Mr. GEORGE said he did not quite soe the obealting Committee should be abolished, and at Amoy that the remuneration should be reduced. greater amount of enterprise and more accurate less during this second week. We base thing
The five mon charged it connection with this knowledge of the outside world. His Excel. to my about the temptation offered by the rat of this resolution. He presumed the Gone If the Committas rotain fr places it will sim-
case were again brought before his Worship.
Mr. Caldwell appeared for the first and second Jener Len bas set his hand to a work which/gotion in the rate of froight; our mind is run. ¡ral Managers already had the power this resold ply manu another meeting. Mr. Chater and Mr. Moses have too large interests of their own to ning rather at the moment on the effect these tien proposed to give. he serina determined to proceed with. Inga additions to the export will have on the The CHAIRMAN said the General Managers be able to attend to the Manila Steamship Camprisoners, and Mr. Holmes for the third. The
other two were uwlaferded. London merket. "Prices of good to study; had the power of appointing sub-mausgers ez
The following evidence was taken - Formos vill shortly be eannected by mble mediam rather wok; all kinds glow of sala cept at Amey and lunila, sad they could not Pany. Mr. Chater, for instance, is not here
to-day.
Haze Lassen, cross-examined by Mr. Caldwell, with the infind. A railway to open is the substaron of the latest talegraphed remore any agasts except at places other than
Mr. MOSKA-Vr, Chater's intention was to id-I picked out the man who ie steading tret The CHAU-SHANG-KIEK Gur: Talne, Tire barn, keeps the numbers low, and of what up communication between the porta and ass, and this does not show a position strong Amor and Manila. The shareholders wore the resign. Tins has taken us quite by surprise as
new na one of the men who were present at the at- orangh to bear the strain of wired adviras freta ouly persons who could remove the agente al it has never been brought before the Consulting tack on the house. I did not ses him take any the inhoud markets is in couras of conchiseide which can only be raad as unfavourable, the places, and it must be done at a general Committee. Had it hesa brunght before n we thing. I only saw him go loto Men Wobilera struation; steamers to maintain a Airnet Woean bat hope for the bast, and of course imenting.
The notion on being put to the meeting was would at onoo bars withdrawn. At present we room. The club inovart is not theena I saw in first traffic with the ports of the mainland have is quite possible that the present range my ba
prisoner's had. He was dressol in blue clothes. Mr. B. BE WAR-In fatios to the Chairman able to recognise bim by the light of torches heen ordered; the solcher mines are being is to be borne in mind, however, that grant helder who did not voto for it, and he did not vote it should ha stated he basurer drawn his feant soms of the man and with hint. I am quite car.
walutaired, langait though the merirot easy be carried, Captain Talbot being the only ebare: intend to resign.
against it. actively worked, and martrete secured for support has up to the present time this season uptain Tapos, in reply to a greation by sheaf, and the fore italy affects the other mem- tsin first prisoner is one of the men. His face
been given to prices by the firmness of importers,
Imade a great impression-on-me I would not... their produce; and the coal mines of Kand the fear is that a sudden spart in the export Chairman, said he did not altogether agras with bers of the Committe
The CHAIRMAN-This motīvu“ - doos
dare to swaar to any of the other prisoners. The the motion, as is practically made. Warner, Blad abolish the Committee. lang will also, no doubt, he moan in active may lead them to abandon confidenes in shipperswelt & Co. the perpetual agents as long as they Mr. R. BHCTAN-No and as the work will There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that frat prisoner had a blue turban on at the time. operation again. The vigorous Governor hos na far as regards the regulation of supplies and: also, it is reported, com penced readmaking make them easy sellors instead of fire holders. owned a certain number of shares. The Compsba rominal perhaps they will consent to serve.
Mr. MCSEs said he thought the Committee about in the house. I suret swear that be offer drat prisoner is ons of the men I saw walking Some such pePontiments as these nat have by was under no obligation to them, and he did at Taiwan, and any progressive measure for been passing in the minds of those from wham not see why they should be tide perpetas
Mr. R. SHEWAN-This is not an original ed me any violence I was unable to see who the good of the island is sure of bin ready the above-mentioned gross escaped. It would gents. He had no objection, to their being made ought to have boon informed of this.
hind. be hard indeed if the advantages gained at the gents, but he did object to their being appoint-motion. It is Captain Talbot's motion, and it struck me with a club as I was struck from be- support. In the midst of tauel entrainement of the season should sil be losted perpetual agents.
was sent to you as soon as wo knew of it. The CAIRAN-But they can be remored by,
Inspector Quinoay said he had no further ei- Captain TALE-I think I mentioned to you dance to produce ing activity and progress, however, comer by later venturos, but nothing can avert such a the report that the aborigines are once again catastrophe if the weekly shapasata continun on the charsbolders if the shareholders choose that I intended to bring forward this ratios.
bring forward a proposition. The only thing is
MOBEN-You did not tell me the patareidance of Dr. Tarr sa to the injuries received His Worship said he should like to bare the that they cannot be removed by the General of the motion. giring tohle in the north of the istand, their present turge scale.
by Mr. Lassen. The Courier anys -Ching which, in order to "Managers.
Captain TALBOR-I think so.
Mr. Holmes said his Worship would soo that Captain TALBOT-Bat to know that when show its appreciation for services rendered by
Mr. Moves-Not the nature of the motion. foreigners to its government, broke the ice by 0308 they are appointed it is practically impessi.
the medical evidend's work in no way affect, his Captain TALBOT It is necessary to have some client. None of the stolen property had been of the thee had been induced to make the institution of the Order of the Double ble to remove them again beanse they have ato sot, and as there will be nothing to do per- found in his possession and none of the evideres their submission, and it was believed that Dragon, las geno a step further in the bestowal certain number of shares at their Lack.
of decorations by eenforringe medal to foreigners The CHAIRMAN-You might say on the other haps the present members of the Committee had implicated him directly or indiretly in the the country woubi hawa vrat. But their for saving the life of natives at sea. We have hand that is why they are appointed. Do you other steamers, and toonomy is of the atmos, net burglary. Nothing had been brought forward to show that he was a party to the attack. repressible sige, strong in his andring thnx in fact the establisbreent of an institution votes against the motion P
Captain TALBOT-No, I simply want to pro. Portance. The present romaneration is one per Under those aroumstancos he asked that he haired of the Chinese interloper, appears to which is analegons to that of the Royal Hone
might be discharged. Booiuty at home. The first rotipicat apon test against it. I look apan it as a purely saleunt, on the capital.
The CHAIRMAN-They say they will not not. His Worship asked Inspector Quincey what have broken bounds and taken to the war whom as we batioro, such a decoration has boen fish vote for Warner, Blodgett and Co. and not
The Chinese Government should comprehend Mr. Moses-I don't know about Mr. Chater. there was against the third prisoner.
qual terms any, troops of the world.
path once more.
This is to regrelled on bastotrad, in, we are pleased to leata, Mr. J. C. for the benefit of the Company.
The CHAIRMAN-I moderstood you to say be The CHAIRMAN-Wall, you are singular in
Inspector Quincey stated that weapons and Sadewasser, luta alief officer, of the ill-fated
extrema vaine of Manchuria to the Empira. The noble territory, thrives in a way, in spite of wished to retire. The Governor, who is also a
insiguin of the Triad Scoiety had been found in overy accre.
Mr. MosYes, I understood he wished this horse. But there was nothing to dounest
all mizgovernment and neglect, but if rightly Pantah Previous to his appointment to the that respect. soldier, is mid to haré decided to match last-named vassel, im was one of the officers of Mr. ÚBORG-I don't understand that they satire, but if he is asked to set he may do so.
considered no province of the Empire should be kell more precious, and the utmost care should against the savages in person, and be with the Puck, nud whilst serving on board this ars parpotual agents f
The CHAINMAN-What do you say about the him in any way with the caso. A further charge
be taken to rule it well. The climato is" flas would be brought against him under Ordinance The URAIRMAN-Thay hold the appointment ster he assisted materially in earing, on tw
resolution P probably not be inclined to show too much cussions, the life of a number of shipwrecked so long as the shareholders choose.
8 of 1867. He had nothing against the fourth
the soil is productiva, ostile and horses thrive Mr. Mosza-It was never put before us. Jenity in case of victory. But the Formagan natures. Thisnet of valour was duly sammented Mr. Geonor-We have the power to remove
there are immense forests of the finest woods. Mr. B. SHEWAN-If you remenhor, Mr. prisoner excapt that the box of cartridges Lad
Iron abounds, and sigas ara given that large coal aborigins will not meet bis for in the field, upon in the foreign and nutive press at the thee, the agenor and take it from them any time weleme, at the last rooting you and tapisin Tel.been found to his house. He also asked that if
bede exist, and the Amor valley in most highly and the Tuotai of Shanghai, upon reporting the like. That was the object of my question. We
3rd September. bot were present. I could not hand you Captain the second were dismissed ho might be bound
auríferous, so much so that under good regula His strength lies in his matchless activity matter to the bigher authoritius, was requested have it in our power now to remove the agoner Talbot's resolation at the time, but I sent hier sppear as a The propos
His Worship said he proposed to discharge among the forest-clad mountains, where he to bestow a modal upon Mr. Sadewasser, in ro- from any one.
The great bant of the summer soms to be tion the Chiness Empire could easily draw a vast The CHAIEMAN-Yes, either from Blodgett letter road to you.
the third and fourth prisoners, bat to allow
broken; within the past week thathormometerfell revenus from the gold Gelds and washinga As can prepare an ambuaçade for the enemy, cognition of the valuable services rendered. The
decoration, accompanied by letters patent, was and Co. or from Tail and Co. at Amoy.
Mr. Caldwell objected tỗ that course. There from 97 deg to 07 deg. The river is much swollen from Renseis-Siberia it is supposed that at least effect their slaughter; and silently steal away, handed over to Mr. Sadewasser, through Dr. Captain TALEOTI quite understand why
second prisquer eat on bail ne before. was nothing to connect him with the burglary. by the late raine; it is now the highest it has £3,000,000 sterling are raised annually from gold leaving in trek bebánd, The Formuese Focke, Con-a-General for Germany, on the Tait and Co. should have this preference, ba-
So Aigh that it is daggerines. Chinos Mansharis, which is said to be He could not be baanil over as a defendant in been this summer. 1th inst. The medal, a silver ono. is about the ones the Company is under obligations to the aborigine, like the Achinuar, can never he size of a Mexican dollar; le form, however, some large shareholders, but I don't see why
Mr. Moses Bat the remarks of Mr. Showan, this case because he was wanted as a witness for one for junks to go down the drex to a much richer in the precious metal should yield Amilitary serving for the Amur frestjór conquered by ordinary tactics. He may be what oblong. Its weight, likewise, is much Waraw. Blodgett and Co. should have it. Y! The CHAIRMAN He makes those remarks as the prosecution. If no prima facie cace had at least this is the report we hire It is at least a much taken by strategy authefunny, and his fast-greater, being about three or four times that of have so objection to their being sppointed a shareholder Anghelfter he lies just been mule ont he vagab at once to be relieved of almo reported on good authority that a despatch Desses may be gradgally, wrested, from which, translated, mean: Medal of Markt. On particular form
daliar. On is obvio if Tours characters, agents, but I do object to its being put in this valid right to say what be lizes as any one bibe the stigma of the charge. He submitted that was received this weak from the Viceroy by the then be mande. On the Sungari and Umri MEDUNTO At the seconder of the motion there was ofery Fasson, for his spplication bain Protect, stating that an oil wis bbit to steam gunboats of light draft should be placed I thận's Fight to Waf I have obver spoken' to him by the adrance into them of the Chi-ité-reverse it has clarasiers, which mean: "Pre-† The CHAISMANDues it sanke any differ. Torben Lhout it. #Ism Vitzplỹ"weting kk day / Banted that the men hat co aplarged. The come here to. aramice into the feasibility of inadequate numbers, and military posts ehold bese celticments, but he cannot be got stod by Kung Tustaf the Son Song and Taience? The shareholders hats the power to re- ława interest and fer ný own protestici: Jaly thing that could be said of him was that an, steamer ooming, and make arrangements for he built and connected by: inner lines of road. to try onclusing i poje. "Hats Gros tamlete which are a move there if he don't do their sety z
It was thought that the native trouble had been disposed of for some time. Several
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would consent, to act. We are running against
Mr. Mass Yes, but it was only a proposal of Captain Talbot. I did not understand it was to have the support of the General Managers. The CHAIRMAN-You have not heard that.
callenor Liu ili doubtless fad, should in part of the medalishich is suspended by groen it is impossible to take the genoy from themes to Mr Farbe za gor
taphed two Jenga ipkathy huur diuite lower Captain TALBOT-Yes, I know, but potically Mr. R. BuzYAN,
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persauted by the Directors and Employés of the are left many become lams, who do not continue C.M.SN Co. for Chian ponies that have the race. The great hordes of fiaroe horseiner Barer run atany meeting in China or Hongkong who wont from the once grassy lands of Tura previous to date of entry at each meeting; to across Central Asia to the gates of Teheran, who be won at two consecutive meetings, or three fonadod dynasties in Ghaaci and Delhi, sad ber timea in all by ponies, the bona fide property sme the progenitors of the Turkish or Seljak of the same owner or owners: weight for in Ottomans, the Ressisz Tartars and the Manggar ches as par scule; entrance, Tls. 10: 80 por rann, have begums almost extinct. Che great cent of the entranos fous to go to the winner pities of the numerous peoples of Turs are now until the Cap is wan, when tho scoond pony covered with sterile sand, he rivers are dried up shall epocive samo; the remaining 20 per cent tas deserts are treeles and trackless, and sten to be allowed to anonmulata, and the "nouumu
the names of what once were mighty peoples are Iation in excess of Tis 590 (to be retained for
now lost beyond recovery. a new Cap) la to be paid to the winner. One mile.
Mongolia ka a strategic frontier has, therefore, scarcely more real value then extrame Kashgaria
ponies that have run at this meeting and not remains, reaching from the astera. boundary of THE CONSOLATION Cer: value, The 100; for and intermediate 11. The line of frontier that wen a mass; weight for tokes as per scale; Mongolia to the Pasile shores, is Manoharis. entrance, Tls 5. Once round.
This territory is eminently defensible, North The CHAMPION SWEEPSTAKES; a forced entry and South, or nearly es; there is one fine natural for winners; options for the winner of boundary, the long range of Inshan Kinghan the Hack Stakes, or the Consolation Cup, mountains, and running almost East and West. inaber in there is the great river Amar. Towards the net proceding 14 hands S height weight for inches as per scale; eu-East, running North and South, is the Umari. trance, Tk 10, winners of two races, Te. 15 The mountains, bills, foreste, great and mall extra; of more than two races, Tis. 40 extra.streams. make up an admirabla frontier which can be adapted for wilitary purposes of One tile and a quarter.
the territory are some twelve millions of hardy Tha GRAND NATIONAL STEEPLECHASE, valus, offence and defence without diflunity. And in Ta 150; for Chias ponies, weight for inches Wachas, a soldierly rece, who, whes armed, us per scale, winners of a Etonplechase a disciplined, and Id, would be able to meet on previous meeting in Shanghai, Sibs extra; tro or more, 10lbs. extra; nea-winners of a Steeplechase allowed 5lbs; entrance, Tle. 5. Twice rounds couras selected by the Stewards.
Entries clceo on Saturday, 1st October.
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hathend volautarily made a statement in which has such an event. It is loped by all that alther At the Manchu people are martial it would not sisted the ace of the Polios. There was neither will soon be running regularly, bopwam here be difcult to organise troops for frontier ser- what he had law nor prasties for such a proceeding as tant and the loger riyor, aralgaeraretiding vice, and reserves of multis, horse and foot, who epatemplated. He gaita suderstood that in the here are in good health, but besino ie not get could act in time of war as irregular, troops to Tis deferics of interests of justice It might be desirable to a brisk and the cops have suffered an around attack and defend communications onld be enve the am as a witness but that sould not be the drought that prevalled til this week.-Ton-raised in large numbers. perance Union Correspondent
Motheria is co sevnilui to the defence of daze by binding him over
think well to Vefl rim policy, that course silk corde. Both the phere and reverse of the again. 4 have no objection be making them said.
decoration are embellished by engravings, ra- agente. Iooly object to this great preference The CHAIRMAN aid the motion want to of conciliation and kindasss will do more to presenting some sutediluvian mammals not alto being given to them
vote he would vote against it, but that it would pring the aborigines to ceruowlodge Chinese other unlike the bat.
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