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Hi EXCELLENT-I do not quite cos the

point. This is a more definition.

Hon. Wong Surva said that when they came

refer your eew law to sow buildings not one: inch above the level of the ground. And with ragard to the secant portion of the clamar I would explain to my hon. friend that the cube mon

the pane enalosad within the four walls and tha tioned hors is not the sabe of the lease, that is,

roof. The monuing is 'n pake of masonry, or work, so that the roof would in no way affect it. It is a enbe of solid masonry, not a cabs of opaco onolesad.

facilitete waltors very much if hot. members would let the Council know beforehand what amendments they moun to submit

His EXCELLENCY-Of course it would. It is

Hon. A. P. MAOEWEN-We have to deal with THE CONSTITUTION OF THE HONG en previously specially exempted from strenuous apponition, from the Provincial [OPIUM PRODUCTION IN MANCHURIA. THE TAXATION OF PLACES OF RACERATION.

Hon. J. BELL-IVING-Sir, from an official many things besides those enlating prely to KONG SANITARY BOARD, taxation but which it is now proposed should Government at Canton,, and not from that

he called upon to my the quasi ratos only, but from the junk intereal (if we may By the last mail so recived Parliament communication before me it would appear it is health. For instance, the urinal referred to a

Government, to tax certain our last meeting. Surely that is a matter which The cgitation for a Municipal Council for on their premises. The real point to be so describe it) as well, a powerful and very urv peper being a domaich be. Bir Jom the intention of the Government to tax certain MR,ue allency's predecesora. I think taxation has Hongkong, which has been in progress in a considered in whether the clubs referred to tarbalent eluent in these parts, How then WALRAM to the Marquis of SALISBURY Plason of reation, in, thia colony which have combs within the province of a Municipal mthor A division was then taken on the Flan. A. P. gal indeterminate form for years part, public stitutions or not. The term did the Tsung-Yumber venture, without on-forwarding a part, by Mr. H. E. Pr-hitterto been specially exempted by year Er than & Saitary Board.

the public institution" is defined in the Moni-saring beforehand the support of the Viceroy TORD, Student Interpreter in the Consular lately bra searied to oxtremes very industry Meaven's amendment which resulted as fol tonk southing like definira shape at lens's predecessor. I think taxation bas

be meline of the Legislative Council on Fri-eipal Bates Ordinance as the City Hall and sad the Hoppe, to give an offband assent to Berrice, of a recent journey in Mun in the colony has been taxed to extremes, and lows

the Olty Hall and ring beforehand thoature, without WALRAM to the deach be Bir Jor day. The debate which then took place on also any tenement or portion of a tenement Sir RoURE HART's proposate? How did Sir churis. This journay we divided into when it goes farther than this, and it is proposed

Hon. C. P. Chater

Hon. C. P. CHATE-Stil, air, I think my the Public Health Bill was one of the most get or maintained wholly for any of the RoUSET HART, whose caution has always two partions, the first through the mounto tax our places of raorsation, I think sense on. A. F. MacEwen

amenilmont would come in. The balf of the important that have ever occurred in the following purpose-Art, burial, charitable beou extreme, couie to make those proposals tainous district on the borders of Korea, explanation is nevessary orpecinity as I am Hon. Wong skrng

house would te ono door, but if the roof were in- Council Chamber, and sutvert ack,becuniary an off, as it were, and completing Th

curred interalief, education, iterature, medical relief of I: poems probable that the other element in and the second in the more populous

populous not aware of any circumstances having arison lion. F. Eyle

oladed to the auroment it would be nearly Council Chamber, and may prove district

two-thirda. If the clause stands auit is people apk, s tiation of legislation which will satwort to the or pecuminry penat. It will be olevailed on him--bia fonilness, that is, for the return roule to the port of Newchwang haalth of the community, and I would therefore The amendment was therefore lost by a majority porfins, to hh brought within the Ordinance

fegislation which will subvert to the tele, religions worship, wines, and not the able Inspector General's char icter pro-country to the north and east of Kirin and to conder ecosary change of policy. These places of recreation are necessary to the

would rather not pull down and voornstrust pro- large extent the present or luas morate zole, religions worship, wines, and of seems probable that the other elemntainous district on the horders large extent the present or lor of autocracy for gain profit.

health of the community, and I would therefore and introduce something skin to self-govern- sarved that places of bussment are not in-rounding off, as it were, and completing The British Minister states in his despatch ant on what gronds it has heuz propose to, levy The amendment was therefore lost by a majority perties, to hh brought within the Ortinshoe.

The SURVEYOE GENERAL-Thon my hon. ent. We thing skin to sulf-governs served thor pecunias penat. It will be the able Inspector the other element in a district an the horders to tax our places of ment. We' any “may preve," but it is cluded in

FUL-axaa such but it is cluded in this dedition. The Ordinane any scheme he may take in hand. Be had that one of the subjols to which Mr. FUL- taxes on an institutions as the Race Club, the three. The clause was adopted as it stood.

fully established bir Commissioners cultivation of usive opium, and Sirich bare koon already specially joerad. He said highly improbable that it will, because now might be amended in this respect, but it successfully established bis Commissioners rost was invited to pay special attention Cricket Club, the Recreation Clab, the Racquet The ACTING ATTORN BY GENERAL Moved friend proposes two-thirds instead of one half

Hon, C. P. CHAT¤s-Ezwoily, that the unofficial

include places at Kowloon and Macao for the purpose of was the cultivation of nalise opium,

3. which defines a common lodging house, bo ad- The SURVEYOR GENERAL-I think that is a clearly members have showu ought only to be so far as to it but it successfully established biz Commhad that one of the subjects to which Mr. For ask on what grounds it has been proposet clearly what it is they want the Government of amusement or recreation to which the controlling the opiam trefle in native saft Joan WaLSEAN ads that he had thought which bars koon already specially exempted

Hon. P. Krek-Wenld it not be well to de-. i alinant certain to offer an acompromising public have a feco right of access. If a club botwon the colonies and the mainland, at hvis ble to send an extrael of the portion from taxation by authority of your Exellenoy's surnad. He said he had just reocived a com- very fair concession

compromising public have a free right of access. If a club botwon the opian traffic in native graft Joan WALSHAN ads that he had their Court, and the Ladies' Recreation Club, most of that the consideration of sub-section 4 of Clarion proposes two-thirds instead of one halfp opposition, turlequinst the officers think the Lolis Recreation Club has opposition, and gainst the off majority is supported by a sleek sircle and the But as it was clear that the position so taken of the report whigh give the result of his in prolenessrs in the administration of the Gomunication from curtain Chinese he wanted

made which he had not had fide the eube? time to consider.

The SuaveYOR-GENERAL-It is of no great the unethil members are powerlona. The general public are excluded clearly it ought up must eventually lead to a similar-control estigations in that diratines to the Viceroy ernment. With regard to these slabs Ima altarations

The consideration of the sub-section was postpaneequence. Probably sir, the best plan would Pablic Health Bit provides for s Sanitary to pay rates; otherwise auch institutions as over the whole native trafic, the regulating of India. The Following are the remarke on think Pablic Health Bill provides for The Beneral public ars oxcluded clearly the But as it was clear that th

| Boensisting BELL for con- cultivation of opism, and came to these throughout equal le cixty-five dollars por anunu Ben sisting of ten anthers, four of the Hongkeng Club could claim exemption, spirit of the Inspector General impoiled him the opium cultivation in Manchuria

bo to postpone the consideration of this cluas nn- onsisting of ten members, four of of the institutions mentioned by Mr. Bu is possible that his better judgment on the poppy is grown in ga, no restrictions what is signed by the Colonial Treasures

nominal sum of miosty-nine cents per quarter. poued accordingly.

Hon. Wore Surso added the Council on til we have lind an opportunity of looking at the Wo mado carefal inquirise on aar janrooy as to the Fhave before ue a notice promising to tax this whom are to be hits, four to be appointed Of the institutions mentioned by Mr. Best to provide Rules for this control, avon while by the Governor, and tws to be elected, one InvIn the Lidies Recreation Club is the it is possible that his better judgment con- cultivation of opion, and came to the cordlasien that Club, to the extent of $16.95 per quariat, a sam sub-section 8 of section 3, which defines bill. English legislation.

the natural bil, or The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-It would by the Chamber of Commerce and the other only one which has hitherto paid rates, and vinced him that the provision was premature, the poppy is grown in great quantities throughout equal to sixty-five dollars por annuas. This side The face

the whole of Manghue ad that no restrictions what is signed by the Colonial Treasurer and is based by the Justices of the Peace. It is proposed that only on an assessment of nominal value. In the great Service which he has built ap

the foundation bevor are put upon it. Feen the bustier coramasity is signed by the Colonial Treasurer and is based tapety scarp or retaining-wall built to support the same, or any artificial filling en the unofficial side of the Council that the The usassinent bas now been increased, and (for if he did not in the foundation the hare described on the Korea hortior grow soffiatent upon a valuation which I believe, he himself

has oharaetorised as too high, and which he in or terracing with earth behind auch soar

or retaining-wall made with the object of sap- by the Governor this is what has given ise to the question. superstructare at any rate is his) everything The great opium district, however, la the now proposed to have modified. swer of apponitalent should be taken awry and that with the It will ha uneful, therefore, to glance for a mores by clockwork, bimself being the country near Huaan. Here, we were told, it almost The COLONIAL TREASURER-Sic, no such porting a streat or farming asite for a building only fair to the Government that they should do exceptis of the ex officio members all the moment at the position of that club to as mainspring. The path of each member of takes the place of money as the gironlating medium proped as seems to be contemplated in the He said the whole town was built on the side of so, because we want to smund this matter others should he elected. Not only this: it certam what ite claims to exemption are. that Servira, from the Tidowaiter to the Corvaya af opium ara soat out of the district in 27-

sxemption are. that Servira, from the Tidowaiter to the Convoys of opium ara sent out of the district in war-propound

10 an go and satisfy so informed us that it was saving a very bad attest upon that is the answer to the hon. member's ques

That is the answer to the hon. member's. quos built between Qason's Road and Stanley Street, ourselves practically if there is any doubt on the is also proposed that the representatives of When teauis bad fairly established itself as Commissioner, is se fenced in by instructions next of incoming supplios. Ta French missiezario question now before the Council has been rada, a hit. Ha referred as an example to the houses thoroughly and it necessar the ratepayers should bare conferred on them a popular game the ladies of the colousy felt and circulara that it is impossible for him to the populations, more especially the beter, ofans and tion, but I may add that the official document on Stanley Street as higher than Queen's Road subjoot. It would be well if hon. gentlemen

tray. And so it may well Kwang-the Envallers the power of apanding the ratepayers money they wore placed at a disadvantage as com-go astray. And so it may well be that the the soldiers Wa anw the making spin was a which the ban gentleman says he has based bis and a person building in Queen's Road must could give notice of these intended amendmenta. Onquiry was merely an expression of opinion on have a wall on the hillside to support Stanley I hare no objection to lat this clauss stand over ratepayers' pared with men inasmuch as they were contrading with Hongkong and Macao," na paste of North China and Soufren Sangha sotion taken on behalf of the Ladi without reference to the Governor. With pared with men innemuch as they were con- Regulations for Nation vassals of Ewangau habit with the Marche, saltices, bus among onquiry was merely an expression of opinion on

Further consideration of the clanse wes post- regard to the latter point the Colonial Leed to the smallaccommodation afforded by tung trading with Hongkong and Macao, a Great quantities of the drag are borght by agents the part of the Executive Council The sub- Street. If that was to be called the billside for future consideration

poned accordingly. Trennrar remarkost hut the other was tee of the Cricket Ground and sould play of the Daily Prses a short time since, were their purchases in the smaller und fastarelas of carbs in Club to a very moderate and uses Trennrar remarked that the Governor was private lawns, while male ufarere had the cammary of which appeared in the columns from all parts of North China and Soaker Mansha.ject was feroad upon the Government by an ob then most horses were built against the hilside

zla, who arrive yearly in the sole and take away jection taken on behalf of the Lading Karen-except these on lots recovered from the zas

Hos. C. P. CHATET proposed an amendment held prannally responsible for the extre of

in Clausa 4. The Clauss reads as follows: The penditure of the galany and could not dale every day in the year with the exception of simply due to the fact that the Inspector known as "ang ch't. The urluc caling in this disably fagal valastinn of the premise of that

Board shall consist of the Surveyor-General, the Cinb. which, I may mention, Las been assessed gate first responsibility to others except in the one or two months in summoy when the General, having regulated everything else, irict at retail amounts to 210 inele a picul; the tax in which, I

responsiffuma,

mist be paid by the purchaser, and is about 5 per cent. closed to give the turf a drew this up as a tour de forse, and to koep Frices generally, we found, varied from 240 to 463 to the municipal rates ever since it was es to clause 62 they would find that no con Registrar-General, the Captain Superintendent recast of recy stall sums, and that the Crickes Ground is closed to give

char.ce of recovering and su the

teals a pical, the dearest at Ningata and Hunohua tablished, sad which would be taxed, but mash babitation was allowed to abut on the hillside, of Police, the Colonial Surgeon, and not moro proposal to give the Sanitary Board power chance of recovering and getting into good his hand in.

as Of course, on the other hand, there is no but the tax was moro olastic, and as for so we could more heavily, in sny part of the United King. There must be an intervening space of at least than six additional mombors, four of whom (two to spend large amounts on its own authority condition for the winter. The Government Of course,

sortain was at the diveretion of the innal mandarin. dom. The subject is still under consideratica, four foot. Therefore all the houses in Queen's being Chiness) shall be appointed by the Govar- nor and one alented by the Chamber of Com- was impracticable, This would be as if the ware approached on the subjeer, and a very doubt that there has of late years been a hug Changet it was 20 por cont. The inndlord.

impracticabilis continged, purpose, crestian Club, on

His EXCELLENOY-I really do not see how mares and one by the Jurions of tha. Peace. Governor's responsibility continued, bet valuable site, admirably adapted for the very decided movement towards at any rate of car ing there informed me that he had at least and no ecures of sotion has na yat been decided Read would bare to cut off four feet. there is no reason whatever why it should purpose, was gives for the formation of a that phase of centralization which involves wenly buyers stopping at his in abae last year on. The Executive Council unanimously consi

from Shantang and man, where the rap had not dored that looking to the close provisions of this affects the case at all. It is merely a de Non-cficial members of the Board shall hold not be transferred her in whole or in part. Ladies' Becreation Club, on the understand the control of the revenues. A ventury, age boom good. I usket if they bad tot to pay wavy Ordinance 21 of 1985 and prerions ensotmeats, fuition of what kilbide is. What amendment offes for three years. The hon. mumbar said

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do you propose?

The section as it now aloude praviles that the At Singapore the Municipal Council has the ing, presumably, that it would be a public (to be more accurate, in 1774) a Jusnit tannt dase, to which he replied that in their light the Governor has no power either to impos

carts they

Lon. WONG SHINO said be proposed to outboard shall consist of tan members, four Chivern. remit any power either tatuats, fuition of case at all.

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mant officials and six additional members, four power of spending money; why should not inglitstion, as it is not to be supposed the Batter writes saying that "the Chinese Gotho were able to sut across country and avoid to remit any rate. Such power is wasted in the

Municipal body in Hongkong bars the Government would give away the public voremont seal rather to apart than to pre. Feroign optom is very little need. Procurable onls Legislativo Connett, by which this question t The SURVEYOR GENERAL-The explanation of whom shall be appointed by the Governor. It same authority? The question of the Goland to any private body. Although styled serve the trade with Foreigners," because in the biggest towas, and at donbin the prine of the mast be altamtely decided, ul before which the

styled serve the trade with Foreignors," because in the liggos toy cut the words "supporting a street. vernor's responsibility is practically im the Ladies Recreation Club gentlemen are those "take any tea, silk, and other teal opio, it finds staall aulo. An objection made whole matter was intended to be laid. I would seems very clear. The hillside is either the farther provides that ons shall in elected by the so it is that, besides being so much dearer, it does not like to add ons word of personal explanation. Itural illside Itself or a wall supporting that Justices of the Peace and the sixth by the Cham material.

As mon se poter is given admitted to its privileges, sad the courts cessarios, and bring in exchange only silver, st so well as the leonily Frown, and the ashas candid express, porhaps somewhat unguardedly, the billside to prevent it falling down. It is bor of Commerce In place of the last one oeing to a public body to speed money without re-me, we beliere, used more by the latter than and in view of the prodigious quantity of not be passed through the pipe so often as those of opinion that the Falnation laid before he was therefore the natural hillside or the artificial elected by the Chamber of Commerce, I bag to prepose he be elected by the tax-payers whose fermion to the fovernor the responsibility of by the ladies themselves. But although the silver in the Empire and the public former sera fruitles Proclamations were issued somewhat high. It was high compared with what billside.

His FICELLENCY-Dore anyone somond the names are included in the special and cormon the-letter-peressarily cenapa-so-far-re that Club obtained its sits on the understanding tresaarice its augmentation is only a source by the Kitirana Noukian unthocicles prohibiting the it had been before, I think, di I said was. He

jury lists and anel-tax-payers as are exempted particular expenditure is concerned. At pre- that it was to be a public institution, it of smbarrassment" To this truly do. salivation of the poppy, but nu such aslian ass been has put it too high, or something to that mambor's proposition

At pre not generally res exclusive as the pot abroad! Age, with castaway ujue tough. It is heard of pprno doubt about basag ont of tho focal, it must

The SUVKYOR-GENERAL-I think the hon. Trora service on juries on accoast of their pro takes to the Bulan district, no extra land tax is in effect. Perhaps it was so considering that seut, however, the proposal, it must be cene bot generally regarded such, but as being lightful condition of things the Board of posed, und ne fden af Lilegality la entertains. Though

fossioanl wvochtions. Tia romniring four I would | fessed, stands in somewhat a crude form. in fact, about as exclusive as the Hongkong Revenus must look brok, as to a Golden the Halan neighbourhood boa the largest sneplas other places of recreation bad escaped taxation member merely asked for an explanation.

unts to is that the Shot on this point is upesially if exemption feast are many reigns we might has driver the foraigs dran hanfursue as the annot doubt that $500 a year.

or their agents, two of ther-to-be-Chinese. I What amounts to is that the Soitary Club. If's wrong impression has got abroad age, with the same dreamy pleasure with stone, the rest of Manchuria producs at least as although atterly illegally I maintain. It had been Hon. Wore SKING-Yo Yo must have alus propose should be discted by the awn lasse rich my

much ao ta riquired for toon! counmption, and I may any wish while enforsing the legal right to tax alle for the support of Stanley Strast.

The SURVEYOR-GENERAL If bongo were think a board such as this should be re Bord should have authority to spend up to on this point it would be well that it which a castaway conjures up sonis rich my that we found no coltivatas district where the the Ladies' Recreation. (Tub to make the valua

e sum of $5,000 on any one item without should be removed, especially if exemption feast he

never bope to tough. It is poppy was not grow to some extant We now or tion parties coneras, more ratosis There can be no doubt about the fact that the native

at the the hill side, then that would practically be especially those very closely affected by tha reference to the Governor, that is, that it from rates is claimed. The Club cansut in one maty of saw for the first time the

from rates is

resting against the bill side..

Ordinance. You hare hore four Goveru. should have an unlimited credit at the Co. and the same breath claim the exemptions ac years, many reigns we might say, heard of no probibition on the part of the authorities to us nominal as possible; therefore when I built against a retaining wall for the support of presentative of all hould have an unlimited credit at the Co. and the same breath claim the exemptions ac. since its treasury showed a fair balance.. A opium has driver the foreign drag ont of the market approximation of their setual value instead of a ring ngai

Hon. P. Rre-I think most of the honses mont offieids, mas mambar aleat by the tanial Treasury provided no single draft in corded to a public institution and the rights small eurplaa" was indood admitted to in Manchuris, sec if Le oulavation Janfussus at the nominal exta I was little surprised. But I Prasclub. estival all over Northvra Chian for microthan the sum above mentioned. Who of a paraly private club. The Hacquet Club exist in 1880, but since then the troubles preont rate, we may fely predict that it will prove cannot doubt that $300 a year, although a large my hour friend refers to have get retaining Justices of the Pence, and I think the Crown sum as compared with what has been paid on walls. The thing would be to exept those al lessees who pay pretty early all the Crown rents ja to be responsible that the total amount is in a popu

similar position, being enpported by with Franes have occurred, and the post- Mr. James, who has had some experience of the pop. Suture, aber all a werely nominal sal Any randy built bewasa it would be ridiculous to to the Government ougat certainly to be re- expen led during the year in sum not I-

small and select gircle, It insritations such ponement of the Eurazon's marriage is pe cultivation in India, was struck by tos saperficial eding $5,000 shall unt exceed the amount as these are to be exempted from payment confessedly due to wast of funds. Under sey in which the Chinnan axtracted the jains from speculator, if offered the use of that ground for make peopic in Stanley Stewbor Wellington presented. This Board, if it is not a Municipal the pods. Two men go round the feld, cas armed $10 a month, would certainly jurap at the offer Street Leave a space wow. The houses have been Board to-day, will probably drift (o that in a vary short time, and Iani told in every part of the alba? The Earl of Health were a not be exempted, building irrespective wriD scheme to that end

responsibility must rest

ust rest of rates we fail to see why every privalo ten- these circumstances it is hardly to be with an ordinary knife, with which he snakes the pot à tennis ground as a mors adjunct to a dwell. built forty yours.

we fail to

The SURVEYOR GENERAL-Bat we are only world members of Municipal Councils are elected with some one. If the Board of Health were a nis court and garden in the colony should wondered at that the Poking Govern- risautalls: the other folawa at a zhort interval and ing bouse is worth 340 month.

His EXCELLENCY-I hope everybody under. dealing with the definition sow; we will come to by the taxpayers and the Crown lessees; and Municipal Council with entrol over the mon not be exempted, and the assessment be went bee tried more and wrote to wipes off the asuding aap. This operation having

bae tried more and wore to boen repeated on thres anatecative days, the nodstands monotron outs are mode Council. I am afraid I on one of the mistendora

however many there are in number I do not say sil rates it woull have a budget of its made only on the autonl building irrespective wring money from the provinces. An ousidered exhausted. In tudis, the cats are stands that this is a matter for the Legislative that hand-by.

His EXCELLENCY-Yes, this is merely a da. the election should be confined to the Crown own and would perforce have to keep it of the grounds by which it may happen elaborate scheme to that end was drawn up vertically with a three-hbuted info, and its amp in Council. I am afraid I am one of the mislead wea

lessees only, but they shoull have the right of The Baco Club in 1880, which is interesting at the so a

Bace Club, in 1880, which is interesting at the present not wiped of it the following day. The Chinese oh myself, haring spoken of exempting one thing finition.

The ACTINO CHIEF JUSTION---It neeme to me electing four out of the ten: - expenditure within its revenue or hate to be surrounded. formal recourse to a lean. But it is clear Cricket Club, and Recreation Club come time, and in connection with this present ectod to this that the Jew wen so hasty that the sap and another in an unguarded moment. The da

sud presentative

would suffer.

varoment considers-and. I think you will all that hon, members are reading the 62nd section Joo. A. P. MacEWEN-Sir, I beg to second that it would never de to let the Sani- more nearly within the definition

of subject, because a portion of it is devoted to It will be seen that Mr. Foxroup found that agree with us that you are the proper persons and the 8th subsection of section together the proposal of the hou, member. When this tary Brard draw on the Clovernment, with pablic institutions. The Race Course is the consideration of the capabilities of the the poppy is coltivated through the whole to deal with this. When the matter is brought The dednition is quite clear. But then it will Bill was sent up to the Government by the Sani- out giving the Governar a reth on the open all the rear round for the use and Native Customs to bear a further squeeze, of Manchuria, and that no restrictions what before the Council it will not be made a do become a question whether section will pass, tary Board, it contains a provision tint tre expenditure, unless the revenue from some enjoyment of the public; the Cricket Ground The authors of this curious document, the ever are put upon it. This only confirms rarament matter of bat will be settled by your whether the houses referred to require four fest membant should be elected by the far-nyers

whittled Four-whether spécified sale were definitely set apart for the

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ned for the athletic sports of the garri Presidents of the Board of Revenue, admit previons reports, and sufficiently explains solvas according to thornies which guide all other space. The Council any say that is not eas whose names wars included in the spoint and

dianoountries.

. So far as the definition is concerned it is common jury lists and anoh tax-payors as vra any use of the Sanitary Board with an obligation, the public schools, etc., and Buy one is the trustworthiness of the Foreign Service, the gradual decline of the import of Indian ountries. use of endure of the Board should eligible fore case with the Recreation Club, in itself, but as a saff

Hon. J. BELL-IRVING-Sir, it was my in-perfectly clear, but it is another question whether exempt from service on juries by raase of their should eligible for the privileges of the club; the not, as it seems, so much as being admirabla opium at Newekwang, the course of which tention to bring a motion before the Council section 62 onght not to be alteret.

professional avnestions. It was considered by That the expenditure Ent exered that revenue. If the Sanitary for admission to which not even the form of more revenue can be expzeted from that

same is the case with the Recreation Club, in itself, but as a safficient reason why no for the past few years will be seen by the with reforones to this matter, but aines the do- His EXCELLENCY-This is only a short def

following figures Dard were an elected and representative body the public would willingly see the banded, this provision being made solely monts provide registers and accounts, so that ballot to source:The Foreign Customs establish-

tive Council I will not propose any motion as that it will affect the merits at all when we come

to discuss sretinu 62- originally intended. power conferred on it of dealing with so demanded, porror conferred on it of dealing with so damander, necessary unless it be specially spre revenga cau lis erpreted from that

Tira sab-section was then agreed to. mach of the public funds as might be re-for the purpose of excluding persons of no no such evil practice as the falsification of

PUALIOIT FOR THE MEETINGS OF HE

Hon-Invre suggested that as quired for the purposes of the Board, nbt, toriously bad character. Still, in all these receipts can criot." On the other band the

many houses are let in fale the words "Azə The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Sir, I Hon A.P. MicEwer-Sir, before going into whole ef" in section, which deluas borse was going to propose that the words "and ore as sharp above, it would be necessary to see the membera do enjoy certain ex Native Customs are more elastic. These

Commits on the Health Bill I wish to sak the holder" as the rotuat tenant or scompise of the elected by the Chamber of Commerce and one arrive at some definite arranegmont as so clusive privileges. The institutions are, in have always been assessed at a fixed rate,

fact, situated on the boundary between public but at Canton, Foochew, Shanghai, and The slight increase in the import last your privately, as to what denision it has arrived at ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL said this that in flea thereof the following should be in Governmen, a question, of which I gave notice whole of any builting, should be omitted. by the Justices of the Peace" be strack out, and what particular fonde should be made over fact, situated on the boundary between public but to it. As regards representation,

low, and the year Governmen. a question, of which I gave notice tion, the adop-and private institutions, and until this is Ningpo, their assessments are low, and the was due to a failure of the native peppy erop with reference to the meetinga of the Sanitary dannition was taken from Ordinanon 7 of 1868. serted and two shall be sleutel by stok tax-pay- tion of the ratepayers whose names appear clearly defined it would be dificult to shy areas they winbruce are extensive." Then in 1885, which caused a considerable advance Board being held, after the passing of this Bil. This was the low as it had been sincs 1866 and ors as are included in the special and common jury

how they should be classed. Now, that the follows a veiled threst that the Board say in its price and gate the foreign, drag a in the jury list as the elective body is a

its price and gate the foreign, draga with open doors. I believe your Excellency is no reason had ever boon given why it should be and by such tax-payerzas Aroosyopt from survice happy thought. The list is representative of question has been raised it will have to be overhaul these establishments and raise che in its price and gave the foreign draga with open doors. I believe your Excelleney is

has been raised it will have to be overhaul these establishments and raise the chance of competing with it. According to strictly in favour of publicity, and I think if the ranged, nor had it boon shown that it had ever os s jury on account of their professional avoss- all classes of the community, except that it settled in some way, but it would have been assessment: The Board is not unable to Mr. EDGAR, the Commissions excludes these usarquinted with the English best with the Legislative Council, and the the onge of and In conclusion the while 50, ounces of native only visit 30

tions," so that the unofficial members will be sir. but it would have been assessment: The Board is not unible to Mr. EDGAR, the Commissioner of Custom Government, would agree to this important poitit worked any hardship. way raised at all. The decision will make extensive and thorough anquier, as inst Newchwang, 50 dances of the foreign exaladce these unacquainted with the inglish better never raised at all. The decision will make extensive and ibaringh and

Hob. C. P. CRATER-I have irnah pleasure |Of the four appointed by the Garernor two would age vedrug Field 45 ounces of prepared opium, tho confidence of the pablis in the fetare.

measure through Committee and greatly increase in seconding the proposal of my hon. friend. In be Chinese, And there would be two appointed by language. The proposal of the Hon. C. P. rest with the Legislative Council, and the the ongs of Shantai Kwan, which bas vest Newchwang, 50 ounces of the foreign it would greatly facilitate the passing of this CHATRA that the bulk of the representation members of that body will have a rather eently been re-assessed. In conclusion the drug, el CHAIRS that the bulk of the representation Got to

doing so I may point out that, as he as the tax payers whose names appear on the jury BIS EXCELLENTY—I only heard of this quee- just said, most of the Chinees bouges list and those taz-pspere was on sooomat of their should be given to the Crown Lessees is delicate task to perform in arriving at it. It Vicarage and Governors are urged to "do

to

1 ounces of prepared drog. On the other tion just for but it is a mutter upon which the hero nes lab in Bats, and if the words "the professions are exempted from serving on in- hardly so good a cue, nor would it stand not difficult to surmise in what direction thoir vary utmost to repay the favours they hand and it will be used this

gend is t

moat to repay the favours they handari it will be noted this statement opinion of the Executive Council is so perfectly whole are not taken ont, probably the landlord ring, gend one, moak chance of approval by the bome Go. their private predilectious will lie, but as have received from the Imperial bounty,

bois corretorated by Mr. FELFORD-be simons, that I think I can answer the ques will be very often brought up and fined for The SURVETOR GENERAL That is the ohl vernment. The property qualification baa representatives of the public they will or, as it is more plainly pat later. 00, todays the onlive opiums can be re-smoked tion at eros. The mombom of the Board of the actions of the tenants The Attorney all, is it net P hean done away in

The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-That in with is England, and even bare to approach the question in a remit whatever they really can in excess of abaus ten-times- while the foreign drug can Health have always been of opinion that the most- General says this definition has been the law for

belthair like in a Crown colony like this, where the demo judicial spirit If the decision should be their regular masosamente." in a Crown colony to England, and eren presentatives of the will lie, bat as very atmoat to t

e Chingasings abould be held publicly although they say some years and there has been no objection to it, the old Bill. It is proposed tast those exempted. At the samo only be used three times, and as the Chinese that there are some questions of a private nature but then ws had not this Ordinands. It is the from servior cracy is not so strung as is England, it is that places of recreation, whether open time the Board bows a little

time the Board ebons a little compunction, a

compunction,only

naturebat on juries, such as harristers and not likely that a proposal to band the control to the public or not, should be exemptibly to

ameking brought before the Board that the very people working of this Urdinance which would be in teators, shall be sutitied to a vote. I don't to the public or not, should be exempt possibly to save appearances consid- the sab, the native product well maintainai's who bring these questions would be very sorry to furious to the householtor, as defined in this know whether my hon. friend maintains his landlords from taxation, it will probably be found that aration, however, of the fact that the pro-ground. Ita papularity must inevitably be. be exempt consida

the sah, the native product well maintains its brought before the Board that tas very people werking of municipal affairs over to the landlords from taxation, it will probably be found that Psibly to save appearances "In consid Singking are much addicted to smoking that there are some questions of a private nature some rear and there has been no objection to it, the old Bill. It is

amendment. would be approved avan locally, to say 30-

may up there are several other institutions tonides vinces cannot dispense with a certain amount round. Ita popularity must inevitably be. 30e vontilatad in public. Therefore my answer section.

a

no objection whatever to The SURVETOR-GENERAL-I think the ob- Hon. O. P. CHATER-Yes, sir, Istisk to my thing of what the opinion of Downing-street those whose names have been mentioned in of pecuniary aid in the administration of some much greater unless the tax imposed will be that we have

ecuniary aid in the administration of be inpressed. The Foreign drug will now, the proceedings, as far as they relate to matters joctions of the hon. members might be met by amendment. I am very strongly of opinion the might be, however, inpreneed.

nese, the great bulk of ponnection with this question that will be their respective governmente, it would not with iko duties imposed under the proof publlo interest, being conducted in public, but insorting or a part thereof."

Crown lessen abmid havan roles. The Board Ithe landlords are represented on the Jury able to claim exemption.

be expedient to drain the river to catch the ith the duties imposed under the proof publio interest, being conducted in public, but actions of the hon. members might be met by amendment. I am very strangly of opinion the visions of the additional Article to the Cho that when it is necessary the public will be or The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-Thon is intrasted with great powers and really the flol, as such a proceeding would approach foo Convention, be bravily handicapped in rectly public business ro-dommenes; otherwise hellding...

would approach foo Convention with the house grown drug everything far as I know, that there is any d ist, the point is not really one of much im

cluded for the time being and re-admitted di- you would have avaral householders for the same Crown lessees who pay the Crown rents ought the confines of tyrauty.”-

to have a voice in it. sortance. The grant thing in the first in-

its competition with the home grown drug rectly public business ro-commences; otherwise

will be as public as possible. I do His EXCALLENOY-If this is to be a real Bill, The COLONIAL TREASURER-Before the tance is to carry the principle of representa

The present achome, however, would soom subject to a tax of only five per cent, or even not think, so far as I know, that there is any ob as we all wish it to be, we must give the Execn-amendments are put, may I suggest to my hea tion, and the franchise can be sattled after

to go very far towards "draining the sizec, 20 per cent an levied at Kwang Cheng-tza-jection so far as the Government is soucerned ties the power of coming down on somebody friends a little varbai amandment, sanhstitu.

as soucerned.tive garde. The further discussion of the sub-

so far, indeed, that there seen to be only So far the Manchurian drug has not to any

This Government has never been hard upon any tion of the word "ratepayers" for "taxpayers." two explanations of it which will leave the poosiderable extent become su article of The Council went into Committee on the body in enforcing sa Ordinanns, but the object We have really no taxpayers. The stamp tax is If the information published in another Peking Government with any unselfishness export, but it may readily become so if Public Health Bill. On subsertion 2 of clause is to be able to get at somebody,

really the only tax wo hara. "Estepayors "is be little doubt as to what the result will be column be correct and we bare no or statesish

or statesmanship to their credit. One, a far-stimulated by

The ACTING CHIEF JUSTICE-I would eng- the proper term. The Government commands seven vutes; the son to doubt its accuracy the Chinesssion that the inland taxation of other provinces of China may also, if thee to this, when the Bill was road a second time interfara dansiderably with the Victoria. Regis use the wording of them requires considern

produced Yunnan, Szechuan, and Board,"

gost, sir, that the consideration of this clanso The ACTING CHIEF JUSTICE-I think it Hon. & P. MACEWEN ́mid-Sir, with refer- stand over, because I think any alteration might might facilitate matters if this were left over for geofficial members number only five. The reason to doubt its accuracy the Ubiness fetched one, is that they have come to the drug roligt tazation. Similarly be 3 which defines "Board" as the Sanitary

need to states the province succesful are given Authorities will need to be promptly conclusion that Government has, however, saeutad to the use of the Board. I have before as a pupy of was to make the owner or r

brought to book. Our informant states Kwanginng is anfident for all the needs of production be fostered by the Chinese Aence to this, whan the Bill was road a second time interfara dobsidaranty with the Vistaria. Regis consideration and these amendments pat in priol, principle of publicity for the proceedings of brought to book. Our informant states Kwangtung is sufficient for all the needs of production be fostered the Sanitary Board, which in itself is a great that the Magistrate of Namlar in endeavour the province. They might be confirmed in thorities, soon prove formidable rivale to the I made a fow romarks as to the change in the tration Ordinanco, the whole object of which because the wording of them requires considvan the Sanitary Board, which in itself is a great ing to loves squeeze on the passage bonte Provincial Authorities have given to lekin what was the real motive of

to the use of the Board. I have before to a pupy of was to make the owner or oppier of the whole tion. I think hon members who wish to propose foreign opium. We have yet to ascertain the Bill as sant in to the Geremment by the house responsible, because the hoses were let mendments should and thom is sech a fora gain, as the members of the Board, whethering to love a squeeze on the passage boats this by the successful support which the foreign pompe f

Bug Provincial Authorities bare given to lekin what was the real motive of the Peking Sanitary Board in which it is farmed the ant in portions to irresponsible persona. I pro-that they could be printal and circulated in they are subject to election or not, will at plying between this Colony and the Bug Provincial Authorities bare giren

large as against transit passes. The other is that Government in sesting permission to lery Municipal Board of Health of Hongkong pose therefore that the clause be left over for some such way as is done in the House of Com- all events be subject to the healthfalin. On district. As these boats bring a large as against transit passes. The other is that Go

Chinese pupu the whole thin passes, The other is that the rest motive of the Peking the Bill os sent

that Board some months ago and proportion of the food of the Chinese pupu. the whole thing is bluff In anite of higher duties on the imported spinns. This may be looked upon as a door point, but it further consideration, in order that we may ses mons. Of course this dead not be done with fluence of public criticism.

lation of Hongkong any interference with moving appeals like at in 1880 the Ewang thay have been simply a desire to auginant was a matter which received much consideration how far the motion of the ton. member might rerbal amendments, bat in case of amendmente

mid them must necessarily cause considerable turg Authorities have not shown Any such their revenue, or it may possibly have been discussion at the hands of the Sanitary be adopted without upsetting the object of the like this, going to the whole root of a sootion, it

the wish to fupplant the Board some months ago and it was thought, Registration Ordinance.

would facilitate the work of the Council rory dictated atili mere by the wish to supplant Board o

the wish to supplant RATING PLACES OF AMUSEMENT, distress and trouble, gad prices of sarings deep senso of the Imperial bounty as should crotone, or it may possibly have been ud discussion at the hands of the Sanitary be adopted wibut

This suggestion was adeptol and the olan mash if they were put in print. I therefore ENT. commodities are said to have already rope have led them to retail more of the Customs-foreign by the notre product part the with a hope that in future this board might er

toms foreign by the native product. So far little tend itself till it became a Municipal Conseil, left over for further consideration. com was

suggest that further consideration of this section up. It was an understood thing that if the receipts to Peking than shay could possibly has transpired to indicate what is the policy desirable to gito is that name. Well I think it Hon. O. P. CHATER-Sir, I beg to propose should be left over and that the amouiments bo

that may now The question raised by the Hon. J. BELL-Hongkong Government lent friendly avoid romitting and it may now be that of the Chinese Government in this matter, is even more so now, since the Government itself an amoudment in subsection. 11 of clause 1. put in print and sironistal before the next meet- IRPING as to the rating of placen of arse.ciclope to the Ubiugie Antborities to collect the Central Government bas taken advantage hul it, is signifiant that the proposal of Bir has proposed to incruise the members by two, which as it stands reads as follows" Nowing of the Counsil ment is interesting more us a matter of prio- their opiuma duse, the native trade of the of an excellent opportunity to show them Rosser EAST to raise the tax on natire and I think when we come to suniber class Building-Aay structure, bogun after the The ACTING COLONIAL STORETARY 6000ndad. ciple than be one of my practical importance, colony was not to be Larssed. If that is could collect those Customs duties opinan te reported to bave been unfavourably later on, dealing with representative members, com maneamsnt of this Urdinance or of which His ExORLLENcz-I think that is the proper The acount of Inerney involved would neither this understanding be violated by the for itself. The fact, unprecedented we be received by the Faking. Authoritive, it will seem to the Government desirable to in the unclosing walls havs not been carried course to pursue Where sundarents of such

The Therons greatly ebrich the Treasury nor seriously Chinese, it will be the duty of the Hong-lieve, that the proclamations connected with anggestion of the Inspector-General unny, oranss the franchise ii this respect. I sa sure higher than the footings, or much eli apertices are proposed it is almost impossible may, in this I shall have the support of my kon buildings as shall for the purposes of re- to take them all inat case They require a litt's mpoverish the institutions affected. Bat coivad by the Peking. Authoritive The

this new measded were issued in the names however, possibly be viewed in a different friend opposite, the Chairman of the Sanitary wastruction be taken down to an extent ex-consideration. I understand bis Honour to pré- Ha Long Government to insist upon the prompt this new measure wore issued in the names however, possibly be viewed in a different friend o T. BELL-IRVING says he thinks taxation degradation of any corrupt or anti-foreign

of Bir Hoses HART or of his Carissiers light if any appreciable declension in the Board (the Surveyor General), who was quits as soding one hail, such half to be measured in pose that the farther consideration of this section.

Burveyor-General), or anti-foreign of Bir Fo A lately been carried 10, axtremes. Every oddzin responsible for such violation. Un lends colour to this view because such Customs revenus follows from this sit en kosa on this point is myself, sa he said that cobis lost? This really appears to me like she postponed and that amandinents such as these

andarin Unproclamations would conceivably be more couragement of poppy cultiva ustry in the colony has been tared to andarin responsible for such violation, Un. lends colour to this view because light if any appreciable declension in the friend opposite, the Chairman of the Sanitary construction ustry in the eclony has been taxed to fortunately, representations

ure couragement of poppy cultivation in the former Governors had bass only too soxious trospective legislation, and I would propose that opening up ride subioase out ba creato co femes, and when it goes further than this, fortunately representations have Brat to be proclamations would conceivably sub Casicms revenus follows from this 190it Lewes, and when it goes further than this, made to Peking, and if Sir Jons WALSHAN entity withdrawn, or even ignored, if the Chinese provinces.

that some such term should be applied to some the words "or of which the enclosing walls have fore the mosting. That is agreed to, I suppóso. body in this Colony

Hon. J. BELL-IRVING proposed an amend. not been carried higher than the footings" s it is proposed to tax our places of recrea-be the lay figure our Northiers conteopors Provincial Authorities proved too stubborn. 11 some explanation areas, the municipal will be paid to the cot allow either sleeps prestige-ion a mosture bares he may be presentINOY THE ACTING GOVERNO

some explanationis Denessary. Autolass-ries make out, it is to be feared no attention As against this must be put what we have.

The SURVETON-GUNODAL-Board of Health"struok ont. Then I have also to propose agent in section 5, which provides that "Tha amendment in the second portion of this class. Governor shall appoint the President, Vice-Pro- toeing carried to sirotach, the nicipal recess

Hon. A. P. MAC&WEN-I sek the GovernI propose that it read "or sath old buildings as Bident, and Secretary of the Bosed, and tho rats which are what aro genantly meant will be paid to the complaints. But the local already adverted to, the cantion of the In HONGKONG LEGISLATIFE COUNCIL. net" Mauicipal Board".

A meeting of the Hongkong Legislative ment to aduers to the former resolution, that shall, for the purposes of re-construction, he takes names of all members appointed to the Board shall whegation is apuzen of, were fixed at 13 Goverment must not allow either sleeps spector-General, who wuald hardly stake his

18 Ministers or corrupt and plausible Mandaries prestige on a measure which he knew to be Connell was hold on the 5th inst. There were the board be called the Municipal Board of down to an extant exceeding two thirds mich be forth with notified in the Government Gazette.

| in 1885, and at that iste they still

Health All our notices and standing orders are two-thirds to be measured in onbis foot." Ifa and any numbar at the Government Gazetés can contin, Industries, that is, the buildings to put them off with excuses. If redress be impracticable, however careless he may be proses

His EXCELLENCE THE ACTING GOVERNOR, printed Municipal Board of Health and even landlord has a house of two storeys and would baining a notice of any such appointalents, shall whistries, 12,

not secured within a realonable building not secured within a reasonable time, ein bis prophecy of the Fall of Shanghai in whkindustries are curried co, are rated strenuous efforts should be made to rease the Ar ciher point on this side is the pemination

the entrands to the offlos in which we hold our like to take down one storey, or to put it la deemed sufficinat svilpums thereof "bafore any curruildings,

idged by 1805) in the expression of his pinions, Major-General UAMERON, C.B. 90 thee ecade as other buildings, and Colonial Office to action,

Azother

HOL, J. RUSSELL, Acting Chief Justice. monthly meeting is marked the axma.

other language, a ground for: sad first foor, Magrotrato or Court of law." The box. wery Hon, F. STEWART, Acting Colonial Secretary. His EXCELLENcx-Desy wayons second the and he wished to take down the fireb floor to make bar proposed that the Board should slect a Hou. EJ. ACEROro, Acting Attorney-General.hon. member's amendment !

Improvements, he would come immediately under nually from among their member the Prasid at Hon. A. LISTSx, Colonial Prongurer.

Hon. P Braie--I second it. I think we this Ordinumos, bacaues in doing so he would and Vice-President and should appelat te Han J. M. PRICE, Surveyor-General. skoald give the Board that same to give it a cor- have to take the roof off and that is measured in own Bearetary. He wild the Cound would Hon. H. G. THOMaste. Harbour Mastor. |tain significan(64. :

cubic foot. He would therefore become liable to bably think this should stand over with the glas Hoa, P. Brat

The Acy ATTORNEY-GENERALTMThe met- examations and all sorts of tronhlea" \I would | seotiometer dan ek tur bas been oondered by the Government, who not mind if the scntian road ore than half His FrogLEFTER→→ Wall as she have come to the ananimous conclusion the time the house or more than one storey, but ibir la sormented with the Former Moting na ba is not get ripe for us to have a Municipal Board, to be measured by biofort her roof watlih obje

eget do

of the sub-

jes by the Legislative Council will be awaited with interest, but we fear there can waited with

per

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althoug Ms. HEIL-IRVING seems to think

we imagine the ben,

that wealty corporations should pay less

CHINESE OFFICALS AND THE CHINESE TRADE OF

HONGKONG,

they havs grievance, PEKINGAL TAXATION. genth-uial would hardly contend seriously THE PEKING GOVERNMENT AND. than strugling traderon. But which

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PROVINCIAL

of a new Hoppe; the ranour of the repall

of

of the Viceroy in not, we understand, as yat conarmed. Per contra it would seem skat, as the native papers Beer, the Viceroy'ı representations to the Peking Gaveronicat

have had some effect, for certainly (exoapt

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Hon. Wong SHING,

Hon. A. P. MAOUWEN, -

Hou J. BELL-IRVING. --

Hon, P. CHATER,

cone to pices of pakable. These Invike's meqing is unistakable. These

Tan present (perhaps we should rather perhaps in the matter of the tax on salt fish) hetalus ught to be exempted on the wrile recont); attempt to practically super- the Foreign Customs buvo.not so far shown

maintains ground that th

thiy вто necesury to the health sada the Native Customs of Kwangtung by any great seal in carrying out these Regula of the community. He mentions particular- the Foreign Collectorale raises many question. But, sa wo said at ptarting, the quờng site If the Race Club, the Cricket Club, the Re-tion not all emily answerable. It is tions which this waiterranea are not log be

reation Club, the Bennet Court, and the big beno obvious to the Peking Govern- anawazed lightly, and for its true solutiqu we Ladisa' Roureaison Olad, mess of which bare ment that the scheme would meet with must wait for its furth

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cision is to be left in the hands of Logisla.nition of what hillside" means. I don't see

BANITARY BOARD.

THE PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.

and I do not think in an Ordiascon relating to come in and affera in very beadorially, such has

Mr. J. M. GUTIERREZ, Acting Clerk of Couns Public Health is the proper

to us out the

..

the present Sanitary Board that to franchise

should be extended in that direction. There are many people in the colony, tax-payers, entitle to a vote, and it would give them an increased interest in the affairs of the colony if the fran chise were extended to them.