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were present

MAIL SUPPLEMENT TO THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS.

Hon. WeeG SHING.

IQ A. 1, NÊN CHƠN

Hon. J. BELL IRVING.

Hou, J. 2, KATER.

Mr. A. SET, Clark of Councils.

and confirme

petitors.

MINUTES.

the Hulk plan as it appeared to the Hongkong Co

of a nature that could not be sauctioned by the dor

HONGKONG, TUESDAY, APRIL 1, 1897.

orament of this Colony. However, wait was locirable by which he ships belong to lines ranning to this land boon a large increase. The Commissioners failed to see that there was any necesly for Alzens to which the opal Huhur, Pakhai, and other was not collected atlas stations in the worl

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pass Bill which you know must in a shart randass is worthy of consideration. It says

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Custcon Hon B.

Station at Kap Shņi Moen Pass or Cheung Chan for

pot in dress in 10 or 20 pastel vr-in mat-bage indi

'T'bey

The CHIEF JrsTru-That may be, but the Chinese got the chance. What tipponesi then Ÿ It appears the foreign aralants did not know what the nature of the dennnd wan sent to Indis, and ran up the price of epiam to a

That opinmis now their bouds Whatiaferetion very large extent, and they bought at high prices.

would one anturally draw from a thing of that

Es

The Council We had considerable oriconen of that in

HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. wont existing and binding on the English Go-to-morrow, that train would still come to or to give details of the distribution of the panged from the Bill, he hoped, ba had said the intention of smuggling that they oppose the place here. It is the talk of the town, and has varument is, that the Government of the Colony Hongkong, world 'will t Hae opium, and mail that of the, 3,000 chests, which oncngh to warrant, the In asking there to post Bill. Now, with mgard to the mode of poking come to my knowledge, as one of the pablis, that A mosting of the longkong Legistative of Hongkong, shall co-operate with the Chinese channels, unless it is forcibly diverted. rousined for sale in Hongkong, the great bulk pone the second reading of the Bill for at fanat aptum, I will, with your xcellency's perüission there was a leading firm here dosing in opique Council was hold on the 30th March, There Government in protecting the rovente, and espeThe Chinese trader.at one of the veighbouring paid duty. As this Ordinance har bose intro-month, so that full the might be given to the read a short statement girea te ma by an which seemed to have gotebint of what wasta talen cially the Customs roronne derived from the villagea has the choice, it may be said, of coming anced for the objest of shooking muggling, it interests concerned, and above all to the Chamwinent authority. It has already been alinded plece before any one else, and to the amprise of opium trado. But it appears from the men to Hongkong or going to Canton for his goods. was important to ascertain what was the notant der of Commerce, the guardian of the commercial to by the Queen's Counsel and Mr. Brereton, the attara, bought farudly and sent their opium tá His EXCELLENCY THE Acreze GovERNOR, randum isid on the tabls of this Council the. It may be and he has been coming for years to quantity which was coggled. I was impos- intoroste of the Colony, to consider the Bill They but it will pachaps make it more clear if I state the different Trasty ports, paying the ordinary duty. Of wurse it did not letter to thon who HON. W. H. MARAH, C.M.G.

other day by your Ercelloney that co-operation Forglong because he gains some benefit from sible to obtain that knowledge, with perfect a badhad no meeting yet, except a Committan meet what it is. Hon. Sir GEORGE PRILLITO, Chief Justice. is wely to be given if it onu be given without in it, by paying less dalies or being able to evade Fouracy, but bokad in his hand the report of the ing which, he understood, took place on Tuesday. I-Patnn and Deanres are also called Bengal paid the kin. It shortly afterwardstrupirad Hon. F. Srewer, Arting Colonl Secretaeyjury Lo ourselves. In that minute your Exeel the payout of duties, and that he would go to Coincision appointed in 1:53 to inquire into Ho gave the framers of the Bill avery uradit for Optum. When they are parolase from a Foreign how that came about. Benar the Chines guve Hon. EJACKROYD, Acting Attorney-General. ¡endy says:--

Canton to-morrows if there weronesuchspecial ad the ambjast. That Commission examined the best intentions, but he pouridoxed it a ann there is no question of weight. Fact chest con notice that on the 1st Pobraary they wonk Ho A. LISTER; Colonial Treasurer.

Underinstractions from Her Majesty's Government, Tautages attending his coming here. Butacanese great number of witnesses, the most compet- most orade and importret prodeation. In the rule forty bails auf is opegel for inspection introduce the arrangapost agreed to is the T- Hon. J. M. PRICE, Snevevor-Coziera), the British Commissioners could not acut to the first of trade ones established is not to be altered in ent that conld be find. They first found Singapore Ordinance there were ninety.fire at the Farely frm to ascertain that it contains the itional Artile. What was the consan? Hou. H. G, THOMSET; Harbour Master.

When the opus to breast to the shop (of the That every man bors she sent up all the Hom. C. RYRIK

needless to enter into the arguments for and againat habit of coming here, will still one here. Why whit that was, for the year 1878, 94,350 pitais, 1970, kong one, Lasre were only twenty-one clauses. Chinewo derley) outh bell will be weighed by the scale opium he could in the Troir parla, lasing

and did not take it into consideration. It ir that way, A Chinaman who has been in the the quantity of opium fuported into Chisa, elanges rointing to pint, while in the Hong.quite aurator of forty balls. misioner to be, oven with considerable mode ter Bense of his connections. Ile has his cor107,970 plenis, 1899 0,839 piele, 1881, 98,556 There were many points to be considered before and the waight marhod on it, and roll according to it to the purchaser tong the lekin or

sondraes send lettore to make purchanna, respondents and his banke born, and the janks piouls, and 18992,85,555 picale; beginnen there such up Ordinance as this could be passed. He weight Purchasere sometimes como themselves and not, ie they thought it. Well wast lepposed The theny some mistake or other, the ickie duty a in exportád arò Shanghai, to help the Chines lovemment to collect hair Upium plzes. Therefore, I sohait, there is in this anid in their report -

baste. If this arrangement had been come to Swatew, Auoy, Fenchow, Rerouse if we could do so without injury to ourselves, Mr. Russell sabated to the Commission certain pray a large and valuable retail trade in Making allowance for what is beliel at Hongkong, when the antragos he had mentioned ware posta. If whipped an honed suns the orium in pat bourhood of Hongkong. The Chinese dealers chigsis coured with matting, and certain arks are in opium shipped all they could into the interior. posals which he had lorg bad andar consideration. pinu, which is absolutely independent of for local consumption and sport, and also what is happening, there would have been so exeuse, The minutes of the Fist moeting were read These propoauls were acceptor by the China Gor the existence of smuggling. It represents slipped in its raw siate where than to China, because then there was real bluclandoin existence, pas cherson by the vendor. When it has rouebed its and to the porta around in large quantis. Į and they were suxious to get it away destination duty is paid (by the parchasor) at the myself saw them pucking it in the street. When ernment. Solvesprent disounion leI to norun 1110diổ.

a tarunter of $18,000,000 yone, and if copre al by Si Thorns Wide at 7,500 rivals for THE OPIUM HILL.

cations and the conditical arrasant orient is sentano many bouge filed, so moeb rest paid, so unisalonas hit in the uber of But where was the pecassity now? The shipped on board Chinese jonks for Shet Tapoku about it--Mr. Justice Russ-1] happened

pienia of Opium arangeled into China from Hongkong, The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-The on-

The one now laid on the table.

much taxas collected, and it contributes to the taking the rottens for that sexe on goide, cannot to Customs stations were still hara, and if the Or. Lang. Wai Chan. Chan Churos, Fat Slut, and other to be with me as the time-we are told that diranes were passed, it was-said, it would vot bajinismu ports the opium is either packed in cheste or they had offered to pay in, that there was no ly business on the order of the day, sic, is Now, sit. I ask this bon. Council to Lear in realth and commercial inportance of this cutouy. more than 1,00 piens anually. the second ronding of the Ordinance for thin, fleet, that we are only boned to co-operate Now, that trade rust abotulely one if this in order to pravant that 4,000 picule being putia foren at nane. His clients had no desire a bit bage of different sizes. After leaving the one to receive it, that they had a very goodbanen better regulation of the trade in opium. Cormain with the Chinese in the probation of their Oniiaauce passes. The very sends of the smuggled into China, this bill, which placatto impede legislation; they were anxious waters of Hongkong the junks wack at the Custer and that they were sending as inuch as they could Hor. P. KRIE-The foreign mereinants did marahants and others who bellows their rightsratenus in so far as we can do so without injury Ordinamen is to provost the Chinmans to fetters on the whota trade, was brought in. The to go-operate in passing meniara which inspection and after duty is paid and clearance and

not get the chancs, are prejudiced by this Gill desire to be heard by to ourselves. Now, what was the effect of the ing what he has hitherto dona, ist is, to fremsily was far in excess of grieverce so be resti.world, white affording ample protection to the receipts are given them they prooned 1 their way,

Chinese Governmunt, do no injury to themselves. Counsel and this Council has consented to hear memorandum of agreement, which was siguel brak

cheat of opium that fed

MALWA, PersIAN, AND TUREET OPIUM, The Commissioners further suit

Malwa, Persian, and Turkey Oring. are dividad thom. I therefore suggest fant Me. Francie, by Mr. Justics Russell In the rst place, I comes into his hands, weigh it, test it, and

That a special sine of heats junks is exployed! It was the same with the Chinese. All parties QC, be now called upon to state his case for the world call your attenten to the fact, is may be pack it in any shinpo er fern that may suit his in the quanting of Opium, or is it ed ant in the ra ngread us to the spirit and mein purpose into three qualities assentire: to their spective ago

merely a triviel and purely a toshrionl one, customers. It prevents him taking away any Colony for the purpose of such sunuggling,

of the Bill; it was only on detail they disagreed. weight. Sometimes a fue cheats or tons of shasta That it is customary for all Chimes sin of a If time were granted, he thought Lia learned reader on mark, and from one mark of gule three samples are given to the Chinees dealers for Ft EXCEL NAY-Bolas any hoa, momber but at the same time I think it is of some quantity sa than a okost, and a chest in its ori wishes to address the Cocanoff first,

importance, that this is not a memorandum of

ginal package. I think it is suggested in the certain sin to carry call copot and fire arms for

Chamber of Commerce, might modertake to qualities. The ACTING ATTORNEY GRALI think gremont. It is a memorandum of the basis renacuse that this dail trees protection Against piracy, and although the luas friend and himself, with the assistance of the testing is crder to find out their thro respective

Cagayan muggling epiem, wäich endonane to evle

The number of balls in one chest varies consider Comasi should be lourd now on tho politicas.

of an agreement to be come le ultimately, I stopped, because the trader when a gas his the Korone Cymiary, 10 alebi en befter und frame an ordinance which would meet the views

of all parties.. Under these girocinsteascoe hably in as most as one heat.coutairs from 10 to over surt when we des delay being naked for, whan HIS EXOWLLENTY We will to vory glail to i gaestion for this hon. Council to consider, opium from the importer can take the chests and acmed that is ordinarily the cusa with presengers hear you, Mr. Francis.

whether Mr. Fastico Rosari, as the Commin over in the Custmas station at Korfoon, and or trading janke, pose havn core my or the hotles of would, with great rospect, ask the Council not balls. They are sold by the Foreign from ini asked the Bill nag be suspended for a month?

to proceed with the second reading, but to post-seets according to the weight of the opiam.

The Chinese deslera repack them and was then in What inference would one naturally draw from Mr. FRANCIS who was instructed by Mr.sioner, was authorised to enter into any binding there open them, waigh and test the contents, and the Palice as being of sufficient size or armament to Evrens, said-Sir. I appear here today agreement. I make these remarks only for the ropaol; them just as he pienses, pay the dry cable them to engage succesfully in tgtits with pose it for a month. Mr. Deason had just paper parocis of 3 antlies erol. Fer shipment in it? That they wished to sell their opinto, and in behalf of the Chinese dealers in opinia re purpose of inducing the Connail te tike tile and get his certificates. That may be perfectly Revenue Cruisers.

bororod-by the report of the 1683 Commission, Pakhai, and other porta, they are sent in cheets of that? Naturally they don't, inquire, but, as sistent in this Colony-other than the Opium via that they are free to consider lese pro-tran, but if he is forced to do that, will be y This was said because Sir Juhu Pope Heuzessy Pointed out to him that for the fivo YPR stentacra tu Busngbai, Swalow, Froshow, Hollow to sell it to advantage. And how me there bad stated chut sanggling, to a great extent the average number of chests imported was als 50 parcels cach. These chests are packed in it seems to me, the only way in which it

matting and rattan with marks of the Chinese dealers Farmer, who is not intereated very directly and posals on their merits, and are not bound: up any establish meat in Hongkong at al

paten. Dnty will be paid at the Customs when they can be done is by smuggling it ints China. does not appear to show cast against the band and fast, to the Chinese Gerornment Wil he not be forced, by the secessition of Lis was carried on in the waters of Hongkong, and 96,705 par to,

that confiots were constantly taking place be- The CHIEF JUSTICE-There was a large hare or at their destination. When they are It was said the other day this measure would second reading of a Bill entitled An Ordinance by the memorandum the signed. For the very business, to take himself end bis establishment tween Chinese Customs officers and the sang-number imported into this Colony, and a con- sent by Tunes craft to Shok Lung. War Chan, Chan not be brought into immediate operation. I

onar to Kowloon where tis work has to be for this for regalating the trade in opium." first clause of that agreement is

siderably larger number went, and of it. So it Chuen, Fab Bhan, and other places, they are either think Government will häre to qualify that but when the opinion of my clients might Mr. Baself undertakes that the Comment et dang? He cons over here to the morning,lers. Then, they say, Kai-

In effect, smuggling of opium is carried on mainly tells both ways, much better have been entitled An Douanca Hongkong shall submit to the Legislative Council aw-and in half an hour bey his oplum and make ar

the immediate duetion of the rotail trade Ordinance for the regulation of trods afton Color rangements for sending it over to Kowloon. Junke, by Chigagangen in Foreign Atasmors way of doing things, at any rate

or 10 parcels and so on. After leaving the waters of what and say that it is not in he sought Dr. FRANCIS Botto voce That is an Iris Hongkong than these Chinese crni brst go to the into unmediate operation if Do. ill effects are by attempts at excedent in ordinary trading. fungia and for the discouragement and all in Ea Ogiam unbject to conditions hereinafter not tarned Counsel dwelt at some length on this point, trading to Create Ferte, aby small houts which

Kap hai osa Pau station or the Cheung Chan found to result from the tolay. Even the assem- Mr. BNNRETON-I hare not wear that

etatina for inspection and for the payment of the duty bling of armed band of smurekes rate suppression of the entire opium. trade."

The Chier JUSTICE--It is in the Report. befois they are supplied with recolpla and cleacons not stopped. as I snderstand. There was This Bill was read a first time on the 18th That shows it is only conditional ou your apning that the effect of the Bill would be to mark to erade de Cruñora nad Qutons Stations

a band 100 men with 812,000 worth of instant. It coras before the Council because given on the condition taat the proposals greater portion of the important and valuable you have not read, is very inch strong

proval, and your co-operation is only to bo create an opposition port on the other side of the under coror of night.

water and to drive away from the colony the The CuFER JUSTICE-The vext panoge, which Mr. BHERETON said there could bo no possible to precod or their way.

ubjection te a correct serunt being taken of Now, sir, it appears, to me to be evident from opium the other day. If that goes on it will in the latter part of last years Commission confair laforo you are such as will not injure, in sisting of an Officer representing this Colony, any way, the srade of the colony. Then the

junk traile, for if opiuri were dealt in at the Mr. BRERETON-1 do ust see that. It does not the amount imported. In conclusion, the learned that, and from the statement made, which I be be the duty of this Goremment, I think. Consular Officer representing. "I suppose, the

eport the trade iz olber goods would soon immediately refer to what I am dealing with. It Connel argued against the powere given to the lieve to be correct, that this retail trade amonats carrying out its sugggerment with the Chinese opa farmer by the Bill, and arged that, if to something like 818,000,000 annually. that it Government, to bring the Bill into fever at cper, Imperial Government, and Sir Robert Hart moraadun goes on to give the chases subse

follow, as the merchants would not wish to keep says-- quently embodied in this Bill, Dat before lear

Hon. P. RYBIE.—We have legislated against up two establishmazta. He contrasted the ala Chinese Mandariú, delegated by the Im-ing this memorandum, I would call your atton coaditions of the trade here with those exist of Lekin and other taxes upon Foreign Opium on the to be outrinted to the Harbour Master or some chestsshould be permitted. It was stated at the ? arme? birds already.

The great jucrense vhich Ima taben plass in the levy such power were to be created at all, they oughta absolutely noosssary that this dealny in broken perial Government of China under the provisione tien to the fact that the Government are to being at Singapore and said there

last meeting of Council, that one reason why the The CHIEF JUSTICE-Wy cannot always find of what is commonly called the Chofon Conven- entitled to repent the Ordinance, if it is fonnalogy between the bud ben arged that organised agate of mine from the thin the

Mainad kas ket, within the last two years, to another responsible Gaternment official.

Hon. P. EYEIE rise sir, to make a motion Government was znzions to pash this matter the armed bands, and are one hundred men armed tion and the additional Artide to ihatCorcontien to be injurious to the revenue of Hongkong. whatever inconveniences the Bill might bring places et ante considerable distance within the forthe postponerat of the second reading of this! forward was, because your Excelloney intended | zith rißes going to be disarmed very easily by signed last your in Loudon

The object of the That, of course, could only have beau, iusure on the retail trade in opinn would be more than formed, to whom are given'n certain number of Bill. My two learned friends hors said so much shortly to take your departure, and that the tag Police? Who is cut these armed bands?

eighbouring province of Kwang Bad of men Contention ñnd of the Additional Arriele waa te

upon the assumption by Mr. Justice Russell, in compensated for by the enormous increase which or cakes of opium by dealers in this Colony, win on the importance of the Bil that they have not: Chief Justice is also aving. Colony with referon to what is known as the without consulting nec practically acquainted with affected our revenue here from the tinturion

complaints with d procended from this mont without having evidence of the point: farm. That might be sai?-tho- only-reasons ucllars par ball or case, doivepedal a nared plier in aid by_Str. Brereton. This Bill, in view of the the assistance of four Excellency and his Honour, the names of some of the honga that then Customs blockade, and to which I need not far with the conditions of the trade, that ir, parboiled

requirements of the Colony, is most loosely but I may be permitted to point out that Bir

signatories the polition. I think sufficient. ther refor, and also to find a rereedy if possible haps, would not be in jurions. Now, 1 enbruit, ir boiled drug vet at some rivolte bere new system of collecting, lekin with the duty opium, and naxy other things that are absolute. qnsation, is shortly expected, and in place of bis time has been given to get up all the argument were the masons which prasailed The learned Counsel went on to say that the framed. There is no provision for damaged George Bowen, who knows something about the out, and I are a rantt, they a-gongst the 14, the complaints which hover want that shirt us be shown. bofore the Bill passes that it thonghaftering to some atent, was not entering word at once remore the state of things referred by necessary. I confrs, what he says with re. Hoboor, we should base Mr. Jastice Baseell, tant sau ba got up in epposition to this Bili many years by the Chinese Govaramont that must necessarily be injurions, you will not be revenus lus heen largely injured by surging departing from the spirit of the groomcnt fainly from the enrreptitions koiling of opina. to in the passage jest quoted, but it was impegned to the blockade. Groat stress is laid on the whe has given so much time and attention to We have heard a schenis posted. It does and especially smuggling in opia-the most you refuse to pass it. The whole question a

by others than the farmer. The main cause sible, by any means that could be taken here to fact that the Colony of Hongkong has been cry this matter. Before sitting down, I should like not and mnch to show that that scheme is Within the last two entirely out of the question. The result would important article on which resents is collected submitted to you. It would be atrasonable ta

fram which it was suffering was the mismauage avoid smuggling in the interior. But he thought ing out about the bicckadeuore atress than is to make a statement.

Рагадка simply be that we should have to punish people which bad its home in this Colony, and which

ment of this Government. which, same years ago, it was imposable to go beyondthafael, föinit by the necessary at the present time. I confrm what or three days, the Chinese and could not have existed to fan extrat to which it me be repealed. Another thing in the mome-drow the opium farmer cat of Hougkoug and Commissionera, that the greatest amount of Mr. Brefuton said, that our complaints were have been preparing this my foroffenersagainst Chinese law. We should have lid except for the position of this Colony with

caused him to establish himself in Macao. de opinu smuggled from the colony could not be zerer with reference to opinn, but to piece goods and have already invested in property in Caut makeamaggling into China a criminal offe

I 180ollect very well when these ton I know, as a fact, purelmes of property It is all nonsense to talk about their engaging respect to the muisland, because this Colony was

could not give a stronger illustration of more than 1000 pics. Sering that the Bill and produce. a free port. The Ordinance ping he That an ollen ander the Farsiga pepoctorate the probability of the tende in the crude drug applied to the ent se quantity of opium brought stations were first started. There were all kinda have been made within the last twenty-fourthenshelves to take out certificates and sccount

shal, be established on Chines territory at a moni outcome of the Convention and the Commis vaziest spot on the Kowloon Ride for sale of Chinese following the course he had indicated than the info the colony bath for export to the treaty of reports about what they were going to hours at one hundred and twenty-two per cent for the opium they have rreeised end distribute. Chairman of the Chamber higuer that it could have been purchased for That could not be done unless you make neghet and being intended to remedy thit opion duty curtificates, which shall La freddy sold to instance afforded by the truths in prepared ports and for local onsumption, it harass-do. I was

I went up last week. I therefore sarticatly hope further a peral offence and impose heavy Enes. Who will griovanes--it wont be Uffelt to judgravers, and for suct of thetopluma itsel. There was now a rapidly increasing ing and injuring the trade cessarily to of Commerce then, as I am now.

Sir Broke Robert time will he given, and that the here to be tried Chinese, who will be set to of the appropriateness of the ready with may requiza.

trade in prepared erium in Macas, which was imposa so great restrictions for a sualla cunse to Canton and s

our prieons. What for? No offense against, em out glancing Brst at the nature of the grievance. Having mule that stipulation, you would have supplying Australia and San Francisco, and it If clauses and were retained, he affect would son about the matter. He informed me the official-members of this Council, and the com We com jag of the sale name to see to its enforcement, and it would be a was in einenquance of that opposition that the be that the retail dude of $6,000 cheats would stations were pat there at his anggestion, bat he munity generally, may have an opportunity of law, but for offences against Chinese law. We dicine mutil we know something of the disease reasonable ennse of complaint if it were not on tarmer hero was suffering It had been learn the ports and if that wont so also world said it was-to euable the Chinese Government to considering this important measure, which wil, muld in fact aadertake to check eggling Lera, That has been considered. I think, tore for which it was prescribed. This colany was followed. You recognise in this the existener sail that those who objected to this Ordinance the remainder of the 52000 chests, because the collect its revenue ou opium in ita on waters I believe, do a great deal of damage if carried

ATTORNEY-G NREAL-The than once, and it has been distinctly stated by the entering severely from a disass oiled the of a Chinesy Castor House, and of duly-paid cor should be prepared to show that there was some only opiam retained for consumption in the colony loss on the borders of Hongkong, and he assured The ACTING Hockul. The Chinese were suffering from tificates. Now, what is this tule and its nataze, other means of co-operating with the Chinese was that purchased by the opin inner for the mo that should a case be submitted to him whers other day the Courall decided it was not pos- Foreign Office to be entirely out of the question. defective circulation of the vital current with which you propose to deal in this. Ontia. Government to attain the same ends without porposs of preparing Deadparing Cao present Manchester goods or produce of cry kindwarasub sible to grant the adjournment asked for. The They say "We will not undertake any of these To remedy these two diseases this Ordizuno nes? 1 am very inch afraid theirs must have doing injury to the trade. He would mention Bill with the Singapore Ordinance, he said that jected toovercharge he wouldnturfors. I recol Bame motion is made to-day, and no renson duties. It would ouly give the Chinese Goren is bought forward, and, with your per baun, in the minds of the Commissioners, an sa seleme whieb, however, he bail not had time to the quantity of opium importedline Singapore in feet shortly afterwarde telling Mr. Bower, who not given thou is brought forward is cup ment an opportunity of reestrating with us mission, I will run intily over the historical facts rast perfect blank as to the andare and details elaborate, The Chinese dels proposed that the course of a year did not creed if i aunanted was Customs Commissioner, of this conversation, part of it. The great son which has been for not carrying out sar cuties. It would give of the case.The learned Queen's Cansel then the trade with which they proposed to interfere. wek of them should be licoused, and that each to so much, as 1,000 chesta 0 this mount. and he laughed and said, "Wait insix months you over and over again urged is that if this rise to ondless recriminating and treaskie, and it is a course we will pot embark upon." The gross gave a rosaré of the history of the opiam trade. The opium trade in this Colony presents of them should give security in $1,000, $4,000 1.000 chests might be taken by the opium farmer, will see that the daty will be colloated at thess Bil passes it will remove the retail trade

intions on everything." I merely replied that I opinn from this Colony. Now, really no reason tion was considered by the learned Commissionur and while not denying that smuggling existed, tarmotor.in och year of something like 100,000 ¦ or 82,000 for his obedieans to the law. They and the remaining 900 were shipped to Sours- said that it was due to the imperfection in the olusts Of Bongal piam, which includes Herrther proposed that outs of opium on combays and other places. The only tradecarial rehod on Sir Brooke Fabetzan's six-ment. The whatever has been given-wby it should do imelt, 17. Bras First of all it was thought arrangements of the Chirose Government in uras and Patna epiza, there are 180 cheats,ing into the colony should be registered and on in Singaporo itself was the truds of the reason given by Sir Brooke Robertzon for The advantages which will be given by the omething of this sort might be door, hat cha tho management of their own

revanuc. Malwa opium, which enmes from Formy, ahata fecord kept in the Barbour Mastor's office, opiam farver. There was no trade carried assenting to the establishment of these Chinees Government and the mode of operation production of laty paid certificates would he It had been held as a broad principle of in 10.000, and Persian and Turkish on chests or in the office of some regular sorvaut of the og by dealers, for the simple reason. Cant stations was that he said, by the Treaty which will take place under this Ordinance have prima facie evidence that the passer intended terostional law that a conatej was het called in all 98,000 chests. Of thrix. 44,000 chests Government, of every chest of opium that they bad no une to trade with They we could not touch opinn: the Chinese had that been totally overlooked, and we have had only the to export the opius. Bet oc euideration, upon to protect the revenue laws of another merely passes through the Colony in transit au came into the culony and of the custody were 1300 miles from Chiza proper, and privilege in their own waters of doing what they repeated and reiterated statement that this Bill and consultation with the official (B. Brau

sent down on Febalf of the Legution, that is. country, On tas principle the Longkong brings, perhaps, only a small, commission ta in which that chest. was at the moment. had no coustitaends to ship opium to. The shed with it. That is the commencement of will destroy the retail trade. Now, if there is Government had acid until now und the Chincs merchants hare. But some 52,000 chests of The Chinese say they are prepared to pay object of the Sirgapore Bill was to protect the history of these stations. They zow exist such a large retail trade, the arrangement pro the Diplomatic Servies, it was though it would had he left to remedy their fecal administration opium remain in the Colony, and are handled the heaviest penalty, if they are at able to the farmer and to get an increased rent from as they did before, and in my opinion they will posed commot interfere with that trade, for this at work at all. And although Sir Robert Hart exist hereafter, unly they will be conducted reason, that any dealer can easily dispose of height accept it for the time being, when bis as best they could. Endeavouring to do this, Love, and the profits on that trade contribute to produce, there and then, so many chosts of him; hat the Ordinungs here was brought in to they nebolished these blockade stations. For the rerebus of the Colony. Of these 52.000 opinn as are in the record or duty paid certi contret the export trade and prevent susegling more stringently. We know an officer of the chest at a tirae, although he may have to sell It to found smaggling was still being carried on he What would use the repress to measures he has. From anme years after the establishment of these bloc chests a very considerable portion is Malta, entes from the custer houses at the other side! Therefore, if they had no other argument, ho Foreigo Custome has arrived, ard, it is said,tures or four or five or six customers. kaly staticus the merchants in Hongkong had Persian, and Turkish. There is the gatest for what they may have disposed of. The pa-sabicitted, that dragon was sufficient alone to fifty assistante, but that I think is one will have to do will be to take the chest all hare heard Sir Robert Hars yet the Com

"Thay ay they have opune to over to Kowloon, pay the duty on it there, and missioners in the futest way. He knew his cause of grievous complaint with the method they possible difference between the two classes of multy might be nada as beary as the Govern- condemn the Ornate, buss it was framed exaggeration.

powera of harassing the trade of the colony enforced the dution. Bat this arose from the isopian and the way in which the two differentment lik, so that there would be no pussilitity on the mode of an Ordinmes bron dit in for arian the blockade, but I think they have come then it will to packed up in each quantity as he

but was not desirous of exercising then, perfection in the Chinese system of revenue coneinsses are dealt with in thetrade. Bengal opinm of evasion. By this scheme, to maintaineti, the differous purpose and in Colony whose te intensify it. I propose the second reading he wishes. I think, when this Ordinance ie pot in

to aperation, it will be found that what has heens nude object was to work in anion with sagnart on the farming ent of the revenue to comes from India in hosts of 40 balls ench of ravonne of the Chinese Government won by opium trade was diametrirally opposite. With adjourned for one calendar month.

Hoo. A. P. MADEWEN-I beg to second the sail to-day is merely apprehension, without any, and carry out a somewhat disagrens private individuals. I thought it would be the same weight and quality, and the whole protected without the trade of the Colony being regard to the blockado, sema seven ne eight or resogated that in euurse of time in cous packed up and guaranteed by the Indian Goinjured. The dealers did not object to the inulus years ago, there were great complaints of proposition of my hon. friend, and as it is my ground whatever. I think it will be found that able task in a manner as little injurious Was often consulttention to vote against the second reading, it the Bil will work easily, and carry out the inten tons as possible and without prejudice to kin quence mainly of the compleints ende from this pornment. Threat importors and lodisu erased lekin, which weighed equally on all, but the blockade, and ho

The com is parbapa advisable that I shoukl state my rea- tions of its proposers, without in any way bring self. I have no doubt Sir Robert Hart has als Colony, vigorously enforced in London nul traders invariably deal with it in clusts of objected in their trade being destroyed in the professionally in these enses.

lovallad against sans for doing so, I understood when the Billing about the dreadful state of things which bas considered the question of expense. To establish Peking, floseabusaccreted with the blockade halls; sud if there were no other tante but the way peopos by the Ordinance before the plaints

an effective blockando on the const; mord searah xiations, Aren under the Eoppe, were greatly trade in Bengal piam the Ordinages propesid Council. If there was any difically about that Castors statings that surrounded the Colony was first introduced, it was the intention been depicted to us to-day,

The CHIEF JUSTICE-I would ask your Ex all vessel which are suspected, in endler mirished. A tetter class of men, who knew better would avl be by any means so injurias se popsition, it wasthopurely sealimental objection The Chinese wers perfoelly within their rights of the Governwont to ask my hon. friend shuttodo, were appiated, and for some years past existing circumstances it threatens to be that this colony should not be asked to look at, astablishing these stations within their ows on the right (the Colonial Treasurer) to fake cellency to adjoaca the Council. There are some to put a stop to surgling, would a

For some reason they trips statements which have been made that, ne vary larga provantire service. Of courses these stations had hesa fairly and reasonably Bat the Malwa, Persion, and Turkish opium or take any notice of, a duty paid certificate. waters, and although they might be inconvenient charge of it.

if he could do it with our cousout it would -condusted; sad in many respects had been comes here without any such certificats of But by the agreement they had already recup for Hongkong, Hongkong vai no right to comferred it to my leapped friend opposite (the doubt, some of us would like to look into. So considerable advantage to the retail trade of the genuineness. It comes in balls and enkos vary. fed the existenen of a Custein-house, and bed plain: What they did complain of was the con- Attorney-General, and I think, considering faras I have the opportunity of judging from te bo mach easier. And only think what a Colany. Ia did not mean retail with reforma in quantity and quality, and the Chinese stipulated that tradora should be entitled to get Locations of the junks and property of peaceable the short notice he had, he is to be congra-statistics given-toine when I had the honour of relief this mersure will give to shipping. If to the size of the package and quantity of goods, trudure, before they parchme it. open this chests, these sertifiostes. AB that was asked was that traders with this Colony nader the proteice tulated as the close and lucid statement presiding as Chairman of the Smuggling Commisit is impossible to buy a ball of opium in Houy- be mada. But I think that statement went sin some of the figures have been very touch ex kong. The ships that are motested, not mul în but the trade in the hands of the Chinese take out a portion of the opiam, and test it. what had been stipulated for in the green that tiny were engaged in smuggling opiumi.

Cochiu- HOD. P. RYRI-Not trading in opium at all; more to show the advantage which would aggerated Of course I do not my oxaggerated Chit, but in Msolla, Saigon. who sold to the Chinese who came here from Tho. Indian opium dsalora in the Coleng mug should be recognised here. Referring to the in-

acoras to the Chinese Government than any ad vifully, but I mean they do not tally with the Chinz, Sism, and even Singapore, will pra the neighbouring villages. That trade wes be said to do i opium white. They jury that would be done by the present Hill, the most of the vessels seized had no opium at all

at all Mr. BARRETO thou narrated the airconstances santage this colony would derive. I then na-figures we had before us then. Possibly, in tably pass without any search carried ou to considerable advantage wider thenover sell, under any circumstances, as learned counsel in conclusion said-The injury Hoppa, because for the purpose of inducing rule, less than o complete chest. But the to the colony will be done the day the first Chi attending the seizure of the Kui Hop Sing junk, varally looked for words of wisdom from my the meantitie, wa muy got further igures as to think, air, if the debats adjourned the dealers to send through his office as larges womens opdum of either description passes into uess trader establishes himself at Korioon, under and referred to the late Sir Brooks Robertson us on. friend on the right the Colonic Treasurer) the quantity which has been sent here. But, as till Friday, it will give us another opportunity portion of the opium as possible he allowed a do the hands of the Chinese, a totally ifferent state the shadow of the Custom house. Az Ordinance baring bean considered wore Chinese than the who sounded the motion, and I closely followed to the main guastion of the postponement of the of speaking on this Bill and hearing all that can I was met at the outset by the Bal, I do not think, at present, that is porbe and. I think bor. members have bad ample duction of something like 25 per cent on the of oironmstances arise, Oxing to the necessi embodying, the shame I have sugested might Chiness themselves. That junk, which had pait is argument. original lekin to importers, who, instead of gorion of their trade, to which I will refer more he brought in at once. The Chinese are ready daty at Tsai, and was bound to Hongkong, statement that, whether this bill passed or not, the sible. What does it mean? It means that opportunity of considering it. And it is not ing to the Imperial Maritimas Cratoma at Canton particularly by and by, they open every abest to submit to it to-morrow. If disapproval of, it was confiscated, and her owaves ruined. It was wtail trade of this colony in opium was almost, if the whole of this question is to remain in tras to say no one was consultel ontside. I sent the opium through his affch. The effect of Boggal drug, weigh overy ball and label it, and could be repealed without any injury having against such outages aa this that the protests aetentirely, doomed. Thalis a statement that can anpuso for, perhaps, another two or three believa every one, of any iniluouce iu the onlony, paura, or, perhaps, as long as the Chafoor was consulted before the proposals were wit that was that instead of paying the duty of 85,10 instead of restoring it to its original chest, they been done to anyone, and the present Ordinance, were made. Since then, aving to these you be easily refuted. My hon. friend went on to ear

vention remained in suspense. What has been home, including Chinase and Indians. „The ar- por ball which was the duty unl quite recently. pack it in paskages or bags or baskata, contain or any other equivalent to it. passed. This plaints and the ecamauts of the Imperial Go- it was desirable that every means should be taken boy paid only $8.10 an sach bull. Undoubtedly, ing different numbers of balls and of different Ordines, if pasead, will do mischief; the other vernment, the Custous stations bad, for a long to increase the reverne of the Calons, and this dona now? It has been said the only agreement rangement was sent away with the approval even to the procent day, there were certain weights: But Malwa, Persian, or Turkish, they would preserve all existing interests until ro-time past, contined themselves to their lagiti would be done by the opium farmer being able that has boon entered into with the Chinese of this Guvernucas sud, it sees to me, the to pay two or three los more than he does at Government is that we should engage to do Government will not be doing its duty to China disadvantures in connection with the axistance ako up invariably in pasicets of three cattles ference has born made to the Secretary of State, mate and proper entier, and he was not aware of these kade stations in the hands of the each, dove up in paper, and labelled with its and a decision from him, no on an a parts of any complaint having been made for ponto present. But I think that he overlooked the what we can to put a stop to smuggling into unless it does its best to enforce it.

provided it did not clash with A grout consideration for car- consideration that what was gaired in that way China,

The COLONIAL TREASURER-1 beg, sir, b Hopp Trade is sometimes subje led to weight and value. and those packets are statement, but with the arguments of both sides years pass

But that is not so ying this Bit through Was tint the might be moro than lost by the disadvantages our own interests. squeezer, and, as in the case of kerosine paoked, in the same way as Bengal, in lurger before bing.

His EXCELLENCY then invited Mr. Brereton blockade would

reland. the other day,-to, exceptional duty. Against packets or baskets or bags, to suit the various

Now, under this Colony would fabour under. Ha then said The whole question has been well considered and the amendment of the Chief Justion. At the abusos the Hongkong Government requirements of the case. Now, this Ordinanca to address the Conncil.

the new arrangement, he did not see that that the opina farmers here were a very by this Government and the draft Bill a boon this late hour of the avaning I will only add

very few words." all, it reliable set of men, strongly recommended to submitted, not only to the Chinese Government, had a right to complain. It was

Mr. BRTRETON, who was instructed by Messrs the blockade would be misod at violation which absolutely prohibits any person from of treaty which ought to have bear pat having in his possession anyibiu less than a Wotton and Deacon, said he appeared ba bebell would only be transferred from the offers of the him by his friend Sir Cecil Smith, bat I do not brt to the Viceroy of India, to the Secretary of The ban xenber has already spoken once un right without any demand being made upon whole ohost of opium, and which defoes a whole of the wholesale por shafts, a buily of gentleman Opium Farmer of Canton to the officers of theses that there is any guarantee that the spizza State for Indis and the Council, and to the

The CHIEF JUSTICE-He Is coading the the Hongkong Governmat fonans correspond-best of opinn to be the original package, will, who for the past twentysovo pers had married Imperial Customs He did not so what advant farraar will not have just as mob opportunity Portuguese Government; aud all the Govern ing adraubsgo. But the Government came to if it goos no further, thoroughly revolutiuize the on their trade without ass for blame from agd that would be. If the laikau did het of smuggling, if this Ordinance passes, as others meats have agrood in recommending,

What is to bo donation for the adjournment of the debate. an understanding with the Chinese Government whole trade in opian as now carried on by the the Government and without my restrictions molest the junks in their legitimate true ho have now. The whole object of the Bill, as I take should be carried out.

The COLONIAL TREASURER—Oneof the learn. to afford some protection to the Chinees revenue Chinese. It oven renders it impossible for them on their trade. He was instractol by theo did not see what was.to, he gainet. To fet it, is to prevent smuggling. In other words, to if any alteration is made in the BiP It cust and to diminish the facilities that existed in to repack the "ogin in easter quartities or in ontlouen to say that if the Bill was carried it whereas the Esikan gave a sunt, the offendeavor to suable the Chinese Govoru mont to go back for the consideration of all thow various ed coquasi who addressed this Council against the Hongkong for smuggling into Chins; and such smaller packages than those in which it arrives in its present form the principal part of their wors of the Imperial Castous would grant noue pollect every cent of zorenuo due. In order to parties. It saamg to me that unless the ms.secund reading of this Bill, going, I think, a lit a coarse was probably wish in the present stale to suit the condition of thoir trade. It may be business would be destroyed, in fact it would In that way there would be no consideration for do that you say, "Very well, we will stop the jority of members of Cennet ses prepared to the beyond the limit to which his representation of intercourse between nations. Such an agree said that although that trade is a very important render tisic residence in this coloay of little the very stringent ordinanes which was about trade in-broken chests. We will prevent shest low stops to be takon for the purpose of re- of the intereste of his cliente ebould hate oon- Undoubtedly this pressing smuggling by the Commissioners who fined him, discredited the character of the Bill ment being made the English Government and one and representa a very nonsiderable amount value to themselves. On looking at the Bill to be passed. With regard to Males and Tar of opium being opened" the Government of Hongkong were bound to of money, that still it is a snuggling tande, that it was impossible, he thought, to avoid feeling kish opiura, it was impossible for the Chinese would have a very serious effect on the whole have been appointed to take charge of the by nomparing it unfavourably with the Singa- vary greatly trade of taie colony. I am under the impression stations, we are bound to give an answer to the pore Ordinauro. in which he said, there were e-oporate with the Chinese Coverament in is, that it depends for its sucoons on the opiam that the framers could not have thoroughly to all it in cheats It was

by the Government believes there is a very large Chinese Government, and that it onos. It seems uinely five rectione felating to opium, whore- profecting the revenue of China. The leura so sold by the Chinese being smaggled out of satisfied themselves sa to the magnitude of adulterated, and it it was

atook of opiam at prosent. I am sredibly to me that it is a mistako for business mer to as the pressut Bill saptains oals twenty-ne ed Counsel proceeded--This being the state Hongkong. Batthat is not an. There is very little the interests involved. About 100,000 chests of the people who sent it that it was not liable to

say they cannot consider.it ip a short time. From this be draws a comparison unfavourably of affairs, a Commission sat in Hongkong opiato, compared with the entire bulk of the traite, opium came to this Colony in the course of a year, inspsution here, it would he adulterated much formed the stock is only 2,000 chasts.

The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-The Go-You do not say that in your ordinary business to the Hongkong Hill, as showing that it had been to endeavour to remove all waginable enas of now emaggled directly out of Hongkong. Su representing a value of over $52,000.000. Of me or, perhaps, there wight be no opium in

or "no" and take drawu hastily. The Singapore Ördinates, which complaint on the part of tho mercantile com- far as cau be ascertained by tho. fadian and these 100,000 chests, about 52,000-chests wore tho chost at all. Therefore, the Chinese mat verament has never said so, and is noder so affairs. You may "yes"

the orneoquenons and that, I think, you will is a very long-winded one does contain an in- manity with reference to the blockade, und, ou Chiness dealors, the bulk of that shiob evados retained in the Colony, the remainder being take it out and repack it. As to the preven-impression with regard to that the other hand. to come to нo my understanding duty is that which goes by stзamor to Macao, jahipped to the trouty parts in foreign vessala. tion of ranggling, the sole of bis furued Hen. A, F. MACEWEN-I believe, moroovor,bave to do in this ass. The arrangement mense number of sections, but they relate to the with the Chinese, Government as to the best and indistributed from thoro. But whether there The CHIEP JUSTICE-May I ask where you friend met the circumstances completely, and the Government is ander the impression that in Maca is to come into force on the lat boiling of opium, to what are called farm shops, mathod of setting all the deputed questions is ruggling hora, r not, the rail trub in get your figuras from P

be would not see what objection there could there fa a possibility of this present stock of April as I am informed, the Cominissioners of and to all manner of provisions, which are, more a with reference to smuggling. On that Com- opdum would be carried on to the same extent. ME DECRETON get my figures from the be to it. If thee, shanse of the Bift forbidding opium being smuggled into Chias, and of urized Castoms take over the stations bere on the 2nd or less, already provided for in our Ordinanca mission. monttug, these T four different and vatae, if sinuggling wore absolutely put a opinn dealers, and I had on referring to the re- the sale of less than one chest was retained, bands being organised for that purpose. On April. Well, what has to be done? You ask for boiled opium." projects woro submitted. Ons of them was stop to, and rendered impossible, to-morrow: port of the Commissioners who were appointed the whole of the retail trads in opium was the 17th of this month this occurred, that there to give a mouth's postponement, and for what?dinance here for prepared opium, nothing lik that either in India," or here in Hongkong, the The people who come here to purahaso opium in 1883 to ongnica into the alleged opiumu smer gone, and all those people who had invested was a band of one hundred men, fully armst, Who waote to ship opium into China now so long a that at Singapore, but it contains all we Fugtish Government should andertals the row from the Chinese dolor-and their purchases gling, that the figures anbatantially agtes, farge sums of money sad spent their lives, and that they had in their possession opinn Who can send us with ofit, either in cheste want, and it has, therefore, rot been nessary to provideanything more for prepared opium. Sice possibility of sollenting the Chinese Opium Re-smokat o 96,000 chosts per year, represent- The CHIEF JUSTICE-No. I happened to be some of them or thirty yaare, in the ba- to the value of $12,000, which was being or in single balls at the present timo.

the trendier, but with no Hou. P. RYBI-Why not P

the Bill has been introduced it has hova painted venue. That of coarse tras rejected. The ing gam of $18,000,000-crs trater, of greater tho Chaiemonsof that Commission, and it does nese, would bars spent their lives in vain. He escorted seross

The CEF JUSTICE-Beanse the markets out that there is no provision as to the sale of spooad alternative proposition was that the or lesser importance, from the towns and dis not substantially agree! In one year, for in was told that the amount of enpitul invested in lütention of smuggling it. There was no object | Chinese should be loft, as they are left by lular tricts within one hundred or one hundred and elasor, there were only 89,000 chosts. Here is the wholesaleandrotaiitendo was ver $335.000.000, in amuggling it, as the lekin stations were notare flooded. Exactly the same thing has happen- damaged opium, That requires serious considera- national law, to take what messoren seem bust to fifty miles to the east and west of ns, and in the the report-5, heste leaving a stános of and theru wore two lines of steamers, besides the thermal the time. With zogned to the statement ed, hare now that happened when the duty was put tion, which it has to some extent received and it then for the protection of their on revenue estuary of the Canton River. They come here, as a 19,000. That is a very grave diference. P. & O. and French lies, engaged in the trade of say hon. friend, that the Additional Article to oa in California. There, the opium was sent in will receive more. That is about the only point and it was broully intiated that they would centre, to purchase their plove goods and shirt- Mr. BuckETO-I believe a chest contains from Calcutta which oreried 40,000 chests in a the Chefoo Convention docms the retail trade in largely before the duty took effect. And what of importance, so far as i am aware, that bas atop at no measures that wold elfect this ings and metals, and all the other stonkathey want something under a pical. Ia one year there year. Wax that a trade to be lightly disturbed, opium, if that is the cass. I ask, why are these as the result P For weeks, and for mouths I not been provided for, and it is one which, E however mae eonvert they might use for their district. Although it may be admitted were 167,076 ploula. In the goar 1881, there merely to quiet the fears of the Chinese Govern- retail dealers anxious to be allowed to continuo believe, there was not a single shipment of opium think, can be easily provided for. It is aimest to our trade Ant. Chat, tuo. way rojooted that this entail trade Brst came to Hongkong word 97,556. In 1889, 55,000 cheats; but I believe ment as to the quantity of opina muggled, which their trade? The answer of the Government to California. "Nor, if I am rightly informed, will impossible, in drafting an Ordinator of this pa

It is alou as- by the English Commissioners, as the varnost besanse of the fagilities Hongkong offered for it has been increased since then. I have always was very small dad did not avant to more than will probably be, Bocause they want to smag. there be any opium sent into China that ie not ture, to provide for arerything. desire was to fad so means by which we could evading duties and smuggling the goods into the nuderstood that in round nambers, the uber 4,000 chests, as found by the Commissiongle But how co that be the case, when they smuggled for some time now. The opiura that sexted, by the same counsel, that the blockad+ po-opgrute with iko Chiness Qotornment to istorice, that trade tu now worked itself of obests coming into the Colony has been set to which he had alrently referred. If he had gay. We will give you a bond and aro propared as gue in up to the presunt tire has, sime je in no way got rid of I admitted that in Joson the wing, and enable thom the tot into a groove, and it smuggling wore ron. down at 100,000 borte In the year 1970 there not shown mouch to satiafy the Coumell that to paythedaly on pedry obal," Baroly that how edit, paid the ordinary fee. None of it has paid my remarks the other evening, but I should key to protect their rossa, Thongly agree dated businely and phycostly module were 107,980 chemin Tan lesnard Quastaj woat lenses and should be wishers and bend at on their pay and that it is mat with labin within this lais two months. What fuck Lara said—

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Ho. A P. MACÈWEN-I rise to order, sir.

the Bill.

We have a Consolidated Or-