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The British sorvette Satelli, Captain Aling ton, Iaft the harbour yesterday for a ornise and coturned in the afternoon.

THE DAILY FRESS, SATURDAY, AUGUST 18TH, 1886.

tions from the Secretary of State to renew the French Mail Steamers Ordinance and also to pass a shllar. Ordinance in respect of the new line of German mil teamar By kind permission of Captain Hill, Divine The French Mail Steamera Ordinanbe is only Borrion will be held on board the British barque passed for a your, and I have no authority to re G. J. Spenes to-morrow morning at 11 o'clock.now it without special instructions. These in- by the Rov. A. G. Goldsmith, Seamen's Choptalu.structions arrived the late for me to introduce The Bethel dag will be bristed.

the Bill in the last Session, and as the Ordin-

The Agents (Messrs. Gibb, Livingston & Co.) ansa axpires on the 1st September, I have been inform us that the Gibb Line steamer on compelled to summon this meeting in order to which left here for Bydney dieset on the Beard these two Ordinances for the first time. I this opportunity to lay the estimates before the inat, arrived at that port yesterday morning and regret very much that I am not able to profit by Connell, but they have taken more time than I will call again for Melbourns to day..

expected in preparation, but I think they will he ready about the middle of nert manth Since our last meeting I have invited to this Board three new mambers, two of whom are to ret piste two unofficial members who are absent, and have followed the example set by Sir George Bowen when the Registrar General was not filling. his port in sppointing the Harbour Master. I am sure all the members will join with me in offering a cordial welcome to our new rolleruss, who have not the slightest doubt will be of the greatest assistance to us. (Henr, bear).

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PAPERS.

The following papers were laid on the table:- Verdi. Correspondence relating to the late Mr. F. B. Norton Johnsen, a member of the Council (which has Yerlinlready been published); the report of the Com Meissler.

mission appointed to consider the question of Mallot.

insufficient sccommodativu in Victoria Gaol; ferrumpondance respecting the Gormer stall Steamora, a despatch respecting the withdrawal of ecologiastical grante in Hongkong; and a dei- pateh respecting Sir George Bowen's departure from the colony.

O Mary, dear departed sale" From Messre. Thos. Watzon & Co.'s Tea sir calar, dsted Calcutta, 7th August, we see that the total export to Taa from that port to the United Kingdom from the 1st January to the 31st July. was 20.410.722lbs. us compared with 19.837.1231ba in the same period of last your, and 18.767,782164. in the corresponding soren mor.ths of 1884, The export to Australindexing the first seven months of this year was 645,000lbs. as against 778,99ks in the same period of last year, and 241,685lbs in 1884,

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Among the papers laid on the table of the Legislative Council yesterday was the reply of Lord Granville to the despatch of the Loting Govequor submitting the resolution of the Legislative Council -in favour of a 'reco sideration of the decision as to the future with drawal of the existing relasiactical gents in Hongkong. The noble lord regret that he is mable to see snout grounds for such room sideration and does not feel justified in reversing the decision of his prodecteson.

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The report of the Commission appointed to consider the question of insuficient accommnda tion in Victoria al was yesterday tabled at the Legislative Council. The Commission deprecates the erection of a new Gaol until cther measures haru boon taken to roliore the protoŽÍ atructure, and recommends among other things the punishment of whipping for all cases of petty theft and for returning fram banishment. And that arrangements be made with the West Point Boforientory to receive all jurssile offendeza.

FINANCE,

The minutos of several meetings of the Fin anor Committee were laid on the table, and the

mis rocarmended ware voted.

Hor. A. P. MacEwRN, spaaking with refer- enes to a vote of £50 (8279.00), being the soul mstety of an honorariam, sanctioned by the Bo- cretary of State, to Mr. Ellier, hoting Chiness Secretary at the British Legation, for saperiz- toading Chinese studies of fadets in Paking, in-re, I think the Hey, the Colonial Segre- tars will collect I made a few remarks when this vote was proposed in Finance Committee an the subject of abadont interpreters, and I wish either at this mesting or en some fatura cocasion to bring forward a rosolation with reference to that subject.

FIS BICELLENCY-Well, say time you like, but for a roselation you must give notice.

Hon. A. P. MACEWAN-I beg to give notion that at the next meeting of the Council I will move a resolution.

THE LAW COMMITTER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE.

so

done in Maaritius.

mittaa should be vitezel,

small a rustgin that they were no longer worth Aghting for. And with regard to that discus- ion I must say there was a good deal that could not Sonveniently have been made pabilo.

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Hou P. RYRIR-laughing-coerce in a little strong; you might use the word cajole, perhaps. The CHEF JUSTICE-I don't remember your making any objections.

Tko P. ITRIE-O. I did. I wanted certain conditions before we retail the monsy;

281 February, 1984, 4 ramme, in the Brett got from the legal members present at the meat mixate of the Governor read first, stating the stance, the details of every proposed vole and in ing of the Finance Committee some expression of wants, and there is a motion that it ho referred art is with the view of eying meb valeable opinion, but heyout vague generalities I could to the Financs Committee; and on that motion Umain Oranoithatthess Committens watsuppolatati hero, as in other Crown Colonins. They perform at Dothing defisite out of them. I have bornit is open to any hon. member to movs that in- preotuely the same fonctions that Board Committees told upon what may be considered good affein stund of it being an referred, it should be dis would only rafer to one other matter, and that is de for Banks and Pubily Companies, and erg as far authority that one reason why these meetings oussed publicly. This has not been done, and it the discussion on the Stamp Ordinance. Consi my knowledge intonde, never held in pablio. In are held in private and matters of interest are has been referred to ite Finance Committee, dorable classes of this community are in the Mauritius, from which Colony the praction was first not discussed in pabila 18, that if they were, it and there the matter is thoroughly discursed habit of evading the Stamp Ordinanza. borrowed as far back as 1872 hy Hongkong, the

yacom has worked admirably for over thirty you, would give certain moisters of this Connall so and thrashed out. Our meetings are certainly do not refer to people of any particular and mostings are never held with opon dnarz, opportunity of talking to the prega. Now, Istate, more fros, and the matters are discussed more nationalite, but there is a disposition to 3-Inamepaint however, the practies in Mauritius as I stated in Finance Committoo, that if that in completely than If we met. in pable. There are avada the Stamp Orduanes which runs more disenfrom that of Hongkong, and have lagthooght the only peg the Government has to hang itaorgasme hon, members who are good financiers, bat or loss through the least scrupulous of that the Manzitu prnction might be intredesdhur ment on, it is a rotten one sud ought to be given have some difuulty in sisting in publia their api- all olusses. Now, when we discussed that. The draft winutes of the Financa Committer åre there either circulataà let rovision by the elferont I don't baileve the Secretary of State would nions; and there are persesal questions very often Stamp Ordinance we had to make soms very plain mambora, ce, in important cases, are myleed at aperuit such an idea to prevail. "I have olso been which are mentioned and discussed in Fiunnos and outspoken remarks about these people who sporial menting held for the purpose. The shute told that in this I am merely advocating the Committee which we would not be able to disenas are in the bahit of defendion, the Government to the rand the text mesting of Council, and viswa of the press and of two or thras agitatora in public. Again, the Government le able to lay whenever they have the opportunity of doing so, on the motion for their adoption, any Mauber way in this Colong. Well now, with regard to the before the Finance Comrafttes far more informas and I do not hesitate to say a great deal of what disquse them, and they may be rijanted, as I have agitators I would say this, if the Government is tive than it would be if the discussion were was said on that occasion would tegamariy hate beaa left unsaid had there been" sterthand One very important reason why the Finnes under the impression that the discontent and public Committeo mestinge should gat tepable is that the dissatisfaction which bavo prevailed for many years Hon, P. EYRIE-I rise to order. On financial] writers here taking down tin remarks. Theban. Government would be wholly procvalod in that case past is confined to two or three persone, it dis questions no information should be withheld of member in moving the original resolution has in- from sommairienting information of a confidential plays great want of information, because it has any kind.

trodgoed an entirely new feature into the ones. I atura. As a rule, west of the Secretary of State's been universal for many years past. I can well The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-It has never heard that publicity was objted to beeritse Despatches containing instructions can to communi- enderstand that in a colony like this, whozu every just been stated that a dispatch on financial of any one taking to the press. Nor do I antal, whion nogessary, confidentially to the Fhange Committee; though the Governor cannot publish little matter of expenditure has to be referred matters may not be conddential, hat there may believo for no morent, sir, in the alleged dis them by laying them batore a menting when roper to the Colonial Ofon for contrination, loro be confidential reasons given for moving a content on this matter. That, I think, is outire. tera are present (Soo Cal Bale 188).

always would be a certain amount of lesatisfac vote. It esznot be anid, therefore, that it is by a Bgment of the fancy. There will always be Sir John Pope Hornday informal the Council. tiou, but that it has been so general proves there simply a question of figures and that it is not in every colony a certain sedint of discontent. in 1878 that he was considering whether or not he is a sore lose somewhere, sad there is an Dr conflential. Dut finansial matters are not the It is the nature of an Enlishman to grumble should allow reporters to be present at future savete ings of the Finance Committee, but the Searatury of unico at work somewhere which has thrown sus only questions; very often they involve the con- about something, and whatever is done dire Stata, to whom he referred the question, thought it picion of the Government and stapped progress doot of a publia offiser. Now, in proof of the dia- tent will continue. At the same time I have andesirable that the practice of the Pinsooo Com- in the colony. Now, sir, I would venture ou two nasions that have taken place, I may refer to only one armant against the motion of

lustrationd of whitia regarded osansa tiaingtory. the long discussionson the Stamp Ordinsuea, the hon friend, and that is that it is not for can 16must hoorklent to Honourable Marbersthat, I would take the subject of the votas for the Loan Ordinance, and the Fortifications. The good of the public servies. I hope hon. members Sir John Fope Hennoury did not fool justified in moleg thinnovation which hu recommended, it fortifications. On the first, vote of £55,000. I discussion on the Stacip Ordinance insted several of the Council will not think I as die meteous out praysonely asking for the suction of the Senre-ballove there was a certain oust of discussion, days, and in the cons of the Loon w. had also langonen when I m your convenience and confort tary of Stato, I met take upon myself that respon but upon the Colonial Offee asking for the fur- one or two discussions. Everything that could are vething, the inconvenience to the Exocative" sibility, capoaially when the Secretary of Stata did ther large sum of £50,000 the public had no in-be nrged was urged, and on a great many is nothing, the loss of the public thao oven is only not approve of the recommendation of Sir John Fope formation feruished to it at all, and I have it on points the opinions of the unofficial members a minor consideration. We or as my hos Hennomy. Tare in, therefore, no advantage to ho rained by convening a spental ragating of the Eagle the authority of my bon. friend the senior unprevaled. With respect to the fortisestions we friend opposite (Mr. Byri said, the servants of tive Council, since the modation, if passed, meet be official member, that when the vote was taken in

had every detail given tous-tho size of the gaus, the public, and only the consideration that this is reforred home. The motion can be made, the Finance Committee he voted for it under certain the situation of the batteries, and everything. not for the public adventors and for the pund of Ucnourable Members still thing it desirable, at the conditions. What those conditions were he has His EXCELLENCAnd that was conüdential. the public earvies, by which I mean in its best next mosting of Cermit, which must be held in the Lever told me, but I do know this, that he was to a The ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL-Yos, con-sense the welfare of the coumanity, inducos Barly part of Supteiber, if not hofere; to discum the osfimator; sait, if carried, I will forward it to the certain extent presedinto roting. He was request-idential, and it was after the Commistes bad ra- me to oppnas this resolution. All other insi

ed to let the Secretary of State seethatthe Council esived every possible information that the deciderations of expedioney or convenient ought to Sucretary of Blatest admitted to meetings of | were noanimous on the point, Well, I am boundsion was come to Therefore I think that more give place to that. As to the statement of my

7-If the publicare to be the Finance Committee, the raison d'etre of each to say that looks to me very much like coercion.information can begiven in committee and mathon. friend opposita (Elon. P. Ryrip, who says Committees one to me to disappear, and all votes I would take another subject, that of the Loza. ters can be more tharenghly disoned than if he was cared on the vote for the fortifications, faz money might as well be doused in Connell. That is a very important matter, which the one-we had reporters here. Not that the GovernI will only my say one who has had way experi wilbout the preliminary examination of details, which has hitherto proved so convenient both in this munity has been discussing. That matter was meat has anything to bide, suvlling to be enge of trying to cures my hon. friend intenry and in nther Crown Colcnion

settled. and I can only describe the minute ashamed of in what it does, but there are many genres of action whatever will soo the absurdity Bennt help thinking that the Honourable circalated at the time as about the most feeble things that caunot be mie pablic-departmental of that remark. Member whe proposed this resolation musthave sad week that I think ever emanated from a masters that it is not advisable or necessary to beer, uwlar fits impression, at the time, that the public body of men. This minute is sa follow make public. On that ground the present sya fanctus of the Piranos Committee were more im.

The.Comtetten, although still thinking that tam has many advantages over the one propceed. portant and more corolneire than they really are.

9.- and Hoursbis Membors that it le my for many reasons it would be preferable to raise But is said in the resolution-"That fu future wish that the fatest information should be given by the money beally, espacially as there is now roa- all matters of public interest, and more parti. the Government in all mattera suncated with the sou to believe that funds could be obtained here cularly the rating of public funds, be discussed sxpenditure of public moneys, and that I eballat all at 44 per cent, thus avoiding all risk of loss on openly in Council, and rot, as heretofore, at pri- The Cater JVarson I might, perhaps, maks times be ready to outertain any suggestions that se of undoubted advantage, and taxt I feel thne 1 uge, nevertholcas nascimeasly assent to rata maetings of the Finance Committee." It a few remarks on this subject. This has been put the proposal of the Secretary of State that the cannot be said that pablicity does not exist at forward as if the Council were in the habit of am authorized in teceding to.

Government House, Hongkong, 17th July, 1836. Iman should be issued In London, provided that present, or that a wote man be snatched or passed voting large suns of aroney without the general. Hon. A. P. MACEWEN asked the following

Considerable diension ensugs, Then she Acting per cent can can be issued not below par." through the Legislative Council ritanat the pabilo krowing the reasons why they were voted question: How many sittings of the Law Com-Attorney Geoscal proposes, and Mr. MasEren zacondes, Now, Sir, I maintain that if they were of opinion public having every opportunity of expressing Eut that is not the fact. The rumaat money voted matton have taken place tiare the Committee was the following resolution:

That this Committee, having beard road cart in for various reasons-reasons I have never beard their opinion on the saljeet. The matter is re-apart from the estimates, excepting in the last Despatches and the explanations of the Chairman, stated that the loan should be raised locally, formed to the Finance Committee to inquire and year, have been comparatively small. Thorstim formed in 1883 ?

The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENERAL-In auswer

withdraw the voletion of the lith instant, and re why on earth did they not stick to that? Most repors upon. The Committee thrashes out theater arn franted on tho expenditure and rosigts to that I have to state as follows bare been solve that the Meetings of the Committes be carried decidedly it would have hoon a great interest subject, and calls for any evidence it may think of previous years, and the increase is tha informed that Mr. O'Malley called the Law Cor- on as heretofore, until the question of admitting the to investors in China and the East generally, I necessary. Now, when this has been done in the estimates. if there is any, is explained in papers mittee together on four occasions, which I would public to the meeting be considered at the first presume the loan would have extended over Finance Committes, and when the report is laid which are pat before the Council and the same The Wily Juryman—A suggestion for Kir.mall four formal mootings, but besides thous

meating of the Legislative Counall.”

twenty or thirty years, and there warld have before the Legislative Council, there is nothing is the case if there is any diminution. If tha Carr.od unauimonały.

for it ars Grill. It is seldom," says the Pall Mall Gathere were several informal meetings held. At

[Hand & Canidential Foport by the Command.com no diffenity whatever, at per cent, whatever toprevent any member who has dissant is an increase the "ressos telte, "that the devices of malingering jurymen these meetings the Clerk of Counelle was ing Loyal Engineer. (Co Walker, R. E.) on the pro-in raising the loan locall I hopa Bired from the report of the Finsnes Committee to pointed ant. If there is a 3-grease the ruisous provosnonnsefal, Courts of justion havolaxened by not required to attend and did not attend, geass of the Defence Works.

evening ask that the report be amended, or to move that for that are also stated; and these panors are Read also the Despate from the War Offiesta the thing I may have said this long experience to tentally trample ba conscien- and therefore no minotes or records of these in-

will not be considered as attaroufalic to be rejected, or, if he wishes to do so, to give in Eurziehed to the members not one published in Colɔsial Offer, dated the 9th September. 185, which toas ser aples, and to bravely face the danger of formal meetings have hear kept. It is impossad been previously circalatod mu parased by the Juurself as Head of the Executive or to the Go-length the reasons which induced him to give the newspaperá an that in regard to the bulk men sitting in their midst whom families are his now-to say how many of these informal meet- fembers, giving a detailed fooription of the arms rerument generally. As long as I hara the the vote ha did in the Finance Committee, I of the money voted for public purposes during the suffering from every specins of maligasabdisease, ingi were held. Since I have been Acting At-ments for the Hongkong Farts, and showing horum. honour to sit in this Council my arrives are just do not think it is right, therefore, to say year the pablis have every information. "Bal and at this point the cunning of jurora seemed torany-General have not called the committan ber of Breach-loading and Mazzle-toeding pans to be as much at the disposal of the Government is of that publicity does not exist. Matters which are when the Council is not in Sussion thers are or to have come to an end. Now, however, a new together. Bosios the Ordinances I introduood mast for the fortifications. method of evading the necessity of trying a mast which bad passed the Law Revision Committee.

The Committeo then adjourn to Thursday, the 22nd the public. I am and always have been a firm discussed there may be discussed openly in Cout may les certain matters of prossing importance believer in full and free discussions on all matters cil now, whenever any hen. member doems it in reference to which the Gorernment must take has been practised with some effect. At uns of the principal measures introduced by me hava iustant, at a p.sa, far this despatch of regular bu-iues of public interest, and I think the "keep things necessary or advisable, and I think the hon. Mr. some steps. For instance, & heavy fl and comes, the assises last week, an individual swaggered beau the Bills of Sales Ordinance, the Peqpé

Hon A. P. MACEWEN--Sir, I rise to propose dark" policy in a colony like this, where the Keswick and the Hon. Mr. Jackson gave their and perhaps 890,000 or $30,000 are wanted at into court and book a seat without removing his Freservation Ordinance, the Spirits Ordinance, the resolution which alsode in ay name" That datios of the Government are to a grent artent reasons when the important question of the forti. once. Is it proferable that the Ofoer Atuini HORAKUNA. August 29ra, 1986. but. The officials shouted Order and Hats and the Reformatory Schools Ordinance. I was in future all matters of public interest, and of a municipal nature, is a mistake. What I say fications was brought up. They sail, although stering the Government should allow that of opinion there was nothing in these ordinances more particularly the voting of pablir funds be is this, if you wish things to run smoothly. If you the waiter had been fully considered in the expenditure on his own responsibility, or is with the covered head was personally requested which required them to be disensted in the Law discussed openly in Council, sad nod, as hereto wish to do away with the element of discord and Finance Committee, yet they thought they should it nok batter he should have a committee of the >Tax cloud in the East of Europa, though at by the clerk to reuore his obnoxiens garment, Committon before being considered in Comfors, at private meetings of the Finance Com-dissantant that Ive been rampant in the Colous on this important question, give their reasons: whole Conncil to adrives him and Ray it is prosent covering little space, may yet acquire and ou bis refusal he was laid hold of by two war mittes of the whole Coxacil, and therefore I have opt fee." It will be necessary I should briety for years past, take the public more into your and 1 beliers they gave their reasons. There doessary to expand this money Wick regard portentous dimensions. The germs of aders and essurtel to the door. He did not an act ouled meetings.

pear to foot the disgrace, and ne be left the build- Hon. P. Rynia May I ask to see the records motifs of the take place at the rent condone, lot the light of day inupon yourselves, fore, as I have said, matters of pablis inter- to other matter what the Council is alius. Committee, beanse and you will go far to allay it. With these re- est and the roting of public funds can be invariably a minato explaining the reason whe great war seem always existent in the Balkan ing he praserted is ejectors with a document of these four wootings, and who were present there is every possibility of this resolation being arks I beg la move theresa'ation.

now discussed in pablie and before the Legisls the Government requires the meg is laid on peninsula; the tinder in ready, and opiṛ await- which turna oat to l

summus tand who were not present?

put to the vote this evening, and there are cBE Hon. P. RYR-Your Excellency. I would.tiva Connoil wherever any member wishes it. the table, and it is referred generally to sarve ou A jury. The trick was clover and Hun. F. D. Sassoon-I was a member of the tsin maahers present, who have been lately have much preferred that the resolution which This system has worked for many yours. I believe, the Finamos Chumitese. It is then pat ta ing the spark to set half Europe in a blaze. original, but unfortunately it will scarcely bear Law Commities, and if I remember rightly elected or who were absent from the Celoay at we passed at the Finance Committee should have and has worked well, and, as I hava said, no say bon, member to move that it be dis The disastrous little war between Servia and repetition "..

met in Mr. O'Malley's Lime very often end in the time then meetings wore bald. Some few boot brought forward to day, vxThat the complaint has been brought against it. But cussed in public. But if it was discussed in Bulgaria is not a year old, and the anxiety in

East in 1884 and 18S all the Bills brought for weeks ago papers were sent rond to the Finance Finance Committee should sit with opeo doors it is said now that there je zasite on the part the Conti, curdy to unrules, and the The Pioneer has so interesting nolics of the occasioned is fresh enough in the minds of many attempts that have been made in the last ward in this Council were disced by the Law Committee suggesting a vote for a large sum of My hon. friend opposite has adopted the alter of the Fulio that these matters should be rates of mast legislative assemblies, if it wa

Committed first.

way to he applied to a certain purposs in thisuntive; and rather than there should be any ale more pablic. Well, the present system oonidered a matter that ought to be dealt with all- wun-have reassu to watch the political hundred years, to pierso the boundary wall that

Hon. P. EERIE-I want to know who were Colony. I sarefully read these papers and failure of the object we have in view. I sound ensures the public all the information it can re privately, it is quito opsa to any single member the Thibetans hase orected against all inter

to order that akungers withdraw. baromotor. It was only the other day that course with as: Hitherto, all along the north. Present, because I was not.

I came to the conclusion in was a matter the proposition. I have been twenly goare a menquire, and as lately at 1881 those rules were Un- Hon. F. D. SASHOCK-I can't think any record that should be discussed in public. I wento ber of this Council, and during those twenty animously passed by this Council. I have not Hon. P. BYRE-That has never been done. the little kingdom of Greece-with · Russia (orn border of the Himalayas, Englishmen. as

d any sufficient resson given why we skenkt The CALEF JUSTICE-It may ever have been bebind her succeeded in keeping half the rule, have y Arnly refused admission was kept, bai Mr. O'Mallor usof to soad out socordingly, expressing this opinion. I a years I do not suppose I have come hard system, and 1iterefore bag, sir. to done, but the necessity might arise, and I must

'ceived a very courteous intimation from more than four or five despatches of change into the spondencies of the Calestial Enpirations to the Law Committer.

Hon. A. P. MacBwex asket:-How Dy the Colonial Socratury that there was the civilised world oo" the tentur hooks of 88 Passion resist and the denial of supplis sittings of the Public Works Committee have

Secretary of State will regard to move the following apiendment-That as it is sor with these two votes on the occasion for discuring the master in public, the finances of the Colony that there now onpetsat for any member of Conncil, when and the Fortifications the probability is thal paase for several weeks. And now, no soon have generally fled to turn back this fuse taken place size the Committee was formed in as it would be discussed in the Finance was the slightest ronson for keeping private a motion to refer a matter to the Fitanos Com. if they had had to be discussed in Council itwould er has the warlike spirit of the Hellenic Go-sportsmen at surveyors who, by dint of sheer 1889.

Committee. I was not sorry I had done The money of the public is the money of the pub. it is made, to Taose that it be discussed in have baan necessary to do that, for there were a perwarerance, have succeeded in reaching theThe SURFEROR GENERAL The Public it, as my name appeared first in the list, and he, and the whole of us officials and muffins, are Council, it is nanessssary to interfere with the great many matters introduood of a sonidantial vornment bean, with difficulty, compered to threshold of the unknown region. Objasionally Weries Committee, sir, bas met five times, and in h members, more particularly the official the servants of the public. Wo have gat to do? prosunt practice of Council, which has been in asture. Colonel Walker insisted he would not rest, than a new frruption breaks forth in the sportemae making a summer tour is the connection with this question it ought perhaps to mambers, would see the line of argument I with money that is not ours, and we have got to existence for many years, and which was un- give any evidence that seeld he need unles newly created principality of Bulgaria. Itie Himalayas bas sentared a few miles buyand the he mentioned, for the information of the hon. was likely to take. In due course that Com-deal with it upsaly before the world. That has animeasly approved by the Connail in 1881.**

it was treated as eratantisi. With regard to The COLONIAL TREASURER-I beg to second the Loan, hon. members who warn pret mast auddenly announced by telegram that a rero-and the wild yak; and there is an instance of aleman, that the whole of the mabers of the hittes was called, and you will see that I pro- clways been my opinion, and I held to it. I am

Public Works Committes are members also of tested, on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce very sorry that this resolution, if it is carried. the amendment of the Acting Attorney General, know thea were certalu matters referwil to by lution has broken out and that Prince ALEXrveyor making his way to the wild tract the Finance Committee, and also that ait ques- and of the public, against matings of that will do away with the Finance Ocmmittee. Tom and I would desire to sag 1a úcing so that I vot- Mr. Jackson which he never would have men- ANDER, lately so popular in hie principality, adjacent to the Mansorawar Lake. Mr. Ryall tiens ocERooted with projects of public works, committee being held in private, and the resolu- sorry bansute at cartain periods of the gear it ixed for the motion of my hon. friend on my left tioned in public. Therefore it seems to me the asbrieved this font in 1877 while he was extending involving the expenditure of money, are almost tion I proposed, which has been mad, was carried convenience to the Government. For instance, Hun. A. P. McEwen) when he brought best course is to coutinns the practice that hax has been compilled to abdicata. Suc- the Kumaon triangulation northward. Bat at

nors than one point of his jeneasy he was met always so carefully inquirst into and threshed by a majority of Eve to one On the follow you will have to call meetings of the wants it forward in Finance Committee simply boon adopted. With regard to the estimates, in ceeding telegraphic messages love the

out in the Finance Committee that roally the ing day your Excellency's minute was re- Council during the recess should any demands wishing that this subject should be ven- no part of the world as they considered were in by parties of Thibetans who informed him that larger Committee leaves very little for the caired by the members of the Finango Com for money arise. I will certainly back up my tilsted, that no desirs should be shown in detail than they are In. Juis Council-hear, progress of the revolution to have boon they had order from Chess to captare him f as follows. The revolutionary party must he did not retrace his way to British territoryaller que toda Hence the few occasions for mittoe, and is due congee the meeting you hon. friend in what he said with regard to the a somawhat thin mesting to stio the question, hear, from Mr. Byrie and hen, members calling to Public Works Committee together.resommanded should be held took place, when Finance Committee and board Committee of a and with a view of bringing the matter to a will remember that on frequent occasions Hon. PRVI would-be-led-to-know- another very important minute of your Ex-bank. The functions of a Finance Committee head. As Treasurer of the colony I have always we have had the heads of departments hare planned a coup d'état by which Prince Travelling about with instruments such as-sur- reyors use had imbred the Thibetan mind-

colleney's was also read and discussed. With are in no way the me BS those of a been opposed to any change baing made in the up and have-examined them to be cause ALEXANDER WIS removed over the harders with the idea that he could only be the pioneer about the Law Committee

reference to the part of that minate in which board committes of a bank or public company, presont practice with, regard to the Finace of the increase in their departments, and even on and a provisional Government sat up at of some expedition designed for the purpose of

you allade to the Law Committee and the Uom- Those who suggested such ao lisa mast hase Committee. It sooms to me our unncial friands the sficiency of their stall. That could not be sanering the country. The invatarata suspicion Sophia. The movement, however, at being of English travellers in Thirst in well illustrated

evening that the work conaseted with these I see no reason why discussions on votes of pub. before them, or rather the cumpronias of which the habit of aslour in Committee were put in. mittee of Public Works, we have heard this known nothing about banks or public companies might well awept the compromise which is put done in public. If such questions as we are in a popular one, and the Prince really passes by what ecoarred at sa interview which the Jong

two Committans has not been very important. le money should not take place in public. If they are reminded-for it is an existing arrange. Council the person would either refuse to answer sing the suffrages of the people, a cointer-Pua or Governor had with Colonel Tanner a

nisme being noted in the others wefabsent. Myhen friend the Surveyor-General sdmits that any persons make facetious remarks and they are meat and not anything new in the amendment them, or, if he did answer them, would uoi give year or twɔ ago at Tskla Kar, a Thibolan town revolution was got up as soon as his worth east of Kanon. A rovi was then in coarse

Hon. P. Rrate-I never got any notice. during two years there have been only reported they need not be afraid of haring thom of my hon: friend opposite. It is now peasible auch full and complete saawory. It seems The COLONIAL TREASURER-I beg to state fire meetings of the Pablis Works Committee. reported, aad if they aro harents had recovered from the surprise of construction across one of the most doselate that I was mom bor of that Committee and the Now, with great rempit to your Excellency 1 not make them, but if they want to talk should not fake plane in Finance Committee things rousin as they are, except this: I have they need for any member who wishes the lisenssion to me, therefore, the better plan is to let Another provisional acts on the northern border of Kamsa. "The Clark was good sough to soad on the morning subrait with referstos to pour allusion to the good solid business thegood not be bat in Courell when the Colonial Store always felt there was something, due to tied sprung apon them.

Jung Pan," says Colonel Tanzer, "asked me what of the mestingas anell memorandum as a re- Hoard Committea for a bunk or publio Company afraid to have good solid business reported bary proposes that the matter be referred public, and not only the ofteist, but the unofficial Government was set up at Tirnsra, the an- was the object wo had in making this road; wymiader. That was sent to every member, and that there can be no suxlogy between the work Tharefore, although I would have preferred to the Finance Committee, to move as an members have bean somewhat to blame for not cient capital of Bulgaris, and the other did wo wish to leave the beautiful plains think there cannot be the least doubt it was ing of a bags or public company and the Gov-aucther one, I will accept this resolution as a amendment that the matter be discussed in open taking the public more infix their cadences party proclaimed rebels, against whom wer of ludia for sack & barren country as Thibet sent to my hou, friend opposite (Hon, P. Ryrie ernment of a Colony such as this. I really do pis-aller. Rather than tuore the other ons, in Consol, and I do not suppose that in any caan What I would suggest is that when the report Taihetsns, he said. liked to remain in their used to receive it, and it used to lay on my not see any use in my seguing the matter, be- which I am afraid the ofhsial members would not such an amendment would be opposed. It is per- of the Committee is brought the hen, aber was at once declared. The people, who have own land, how was it that we English ware al table as reminder.

cause I think it must be patent to every one support me, I beooad this ens.

hape unfortunate that two maltors of very excep. moring its adoption should explain the reasons evidently never forsaken their first love, gave ways erasing for the territories of athers I

Hon. F. D. Sassoon-My boo. friend's re- With reference to your Excellency's remarks with Hon. F. D. SASOON-Your Exellency, al- tional importance were referred to the Finance on which the Committee has arrived at its de their adherence to the Tirnora Government, informed him that the English did not in the

marks are quite correct. I always got a notion. respect to Mauritius. I veature to say that what though I admit discussions can be carried Committee withoutits ocenrring to any con.mam vision, and then, if any other member wishes to Toast desire agoupy such a comfortless zad

Hoo. P. RYRIE-I never got one. The only may be applicable to a colony like Mauritius is on perhaps more freely and in

А someber to take this course. And I must remind my axplain his views. It is qalte open to hini to got en argagement ensued between the riral bleak land as theirs. Bleak, da yox call this time I ever get a sotie of the Law Committee not necessarily applicable to a colony like Heng, what loss formal manner at the meetings unofficial friends that Government officers after ap and do so. If any has member think forces, and the revolutionary Government at Why, you are now in the váry garden of Thibet

алу matter suggestions from was from Mr. O'Malley in the Club. Two or king. "In fant I bave been a close observes of of the Finanse Committes and without the praal-exposed to suspicion though ther bo, 88 Mr.

Governors and officials, and I have invariably sonice of reporter than would be the case should MacEwen has said are proty much like other pablo would be useful, it is quite three of us met, and we said * Supposo we are z seeing of the Lur Committes, and be said it found that instead of endeavouring to get these genfioman he admitted in fature, atil. people; when they find sa esey way of doing opes to him to ask that its consideratio

all right.

at the disease locally they invariably refer sir, holding as I do the right of the commanity things they will go on in that, was, if others be adjourned for one or two meetings, until to their experiences in other colonies. Now, to know what takes place, as well as the right of with trouble to be taken they must at least take the public shall have spoken; and I do not think your Excellency alludes to the confidential the press to criticise the views of the members the trouble themselves of suggesting the course the majority of the members of Conncil would nature of the Becretary of State's deepatehen. Iof the Finance Committes, I strongly recom- which they wish to be adepted. If your neigh ever refuse to entertain his request. It seems to mat Bay I cannel so that in a matter of finance mond that in future the press be represented. bour has found some easy way of condmoting his me in that way the pablis can be taken into our there can be anything of a confidential natura. This step, I am sure will give great satisfaction basis which is an annoyance to you and you coufdunce much better than if we say that in all In fast I should be inclined to go farther and to the community.

won't fake the trouble to tell him you on hardly these delicata ingniries that take place in the

After that one he anuply is timized.

The Daily Press.

Sophia was overthrown, its leaders arrested, sad so far the attempt to compass the downfall of Princ ALEXANDER Rppoare to bave been thwarted.

eff, but no noties was taken. Then tas man

northern barrier of snow to shoot Ovis Amnon

If this you osil barren, what wonki you say of

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the record.

HIA EXCELLENCr asked the Clerk if he had

at the ons roodings, from which it appeared The CLERK cond the names of those present that Mr. Ryrie was present at one masting, his

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

Allude what has taken

Loan

the

uther parts whers there is literally nothing but rock and too! Go back now to Indis. You have 6000 the most inriting part of our country, the rest is not worth a visit. We are not angry at your onming this ngea, hat we never wish to

The following are extracts from the minutes - Sach, în brief, in the story of this latest see you again. Dar Government don't allow of the Finance Committed laid on the tablo:- episode in that hot-bad of intrigue the Bilkanthe Euglish in Thibet, but you, one and all, try

15th July, 1693. to pask your way past our frontier posts, sud Peninsula, so far as we can read it from the never consider that if you encased, our governoru

Mr. MacEwan addroosen the Committee and protests. fewbald wordstelographed out. But the ques- and oficials on the frontier lose their heads for generally against the noong of this Committer, hundred departusztal despatobee received from sent resolution, if enaried in its pecsent shape, mittes has been found a convenient that it sent. I would suggest to han, members, official of the Chamber of Commerce and my ninety-nine out of a The ACTING ATTORNEY-GENIBAL-The pre-expect him to desist. Well, the Finance Com. Finance Committee we should have reporters pra The natural rejoinder in- fog held in privata, tion arises, will the Pawor that directed this and stopping yon.""

the Colonial Office should be published for tho will be nothing loss than the abolition of the world not have oerred to the Government te and unofficial, whatorer opinions they have com It is a pleas of umutiarabia stupidity on the After some incrasion Mr. MacEwen proposes, and oral pablis and that this might be done with Bisanos Committee, and I do not think there take any steps to interfere with the ordinary with, they should consider the matters I have movement,aimed against Turkey and Austria,part of say people to suppose that Englishmen Mr. Ryrie seconds, the following rotation:-

That this meeting be adjourned until the queeout disclosing any very greatsecreta. four Excel- has been any sufficient reason given for that. It procedure ir respect of these rates, but it is now laid before them, and if they think, under admit that the hour was tot rips for the blow, would attempt the conquest of a suntry that

tion is decided at to whether the meetings of the lency says I must have been madertheimpression has not been asserted that information has perhaps a pity it did not cocar to the anotheial all the cironmatances, that things would not ge and retiro to renew the underground tactics would be perfectly unproductive.

Finance Committee should be held with open doore, at the 1 time made the resolation that the fund ever been withheld, or discussion interfered with, members to take another course end that these on as well under the proposed change as they and that the Offer Administering the Governmentions of the Fines Coranties were more im- or that the oficial majority has ever been need to matters were discussed in a way which, though have hitherto gone on, with the exception I haya be suquented to call a special meshing of the Legis portant than they really are. Well, I am free silence or in any way to coeros the uncficial eminently satisfactory to those admitted to the suggested, they should give their rates in favoar

no long and patiently prosecuted, or will it now actively intervano to" prevent the re aturation of the intraclable and too inde

pondent Prinse whose maintenance at Sophis

is a chock to its designs Prince ALEXANDER,

LATEST TELEGRAMS.

LONDON, 25th August THE REVOLUTION IN BULGARIA.

A rebel government established at Sophia bas

will be less than ever disposed to be a tool in bean overthrown and the revolutionary leaders the biods of Russia if allowed to return to arrested.

power, a fact that will scarcely be lost sight

of in St. Petersburg. Nevertheless, they HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. may not deem it prudent to make a further

lative Council to decide the matter.”

· The Cummitios decide.

Pos

SOLIKST.

Mr. MAGEWOR

The Surveyor General,

Mr. Wong Bhing.

Mr. B

The Treneuter.

Motion carried by 5. to 1.

Mr. Ryzie.

The Gemisi thee then adjourn Ēro Dio.

20th July, 1886,

The Committee meet this day purausnt to the fol Jowing Minute by His Excelency the Offivar Adinis

A special meeting of the Hongkong Legisla

tering the overament

.П. Маван.

Hon. SIEGE PHILLIPPO, Chief Justice. Hon. F. STRWART, Aoting Colonial Secretary. Hon. E.J.ACKRovn, Acting Attorney-General. Hon. A. Luster, Colonial Treasurer. Hon. J. M. PRICE, Surveyor-General. Hon. H. G. THOMSETT, Harbour Maetor. Hon. P. RYBIE. Hon. F. D. SASSOON,

more in this direction, as the last stop beative Council was boul yesterday afternoon. oridently been obsekmated. I would seem, There were present however, that in any case Russia Ims resolved HI EXCALLENCY THE ACTING Governor, upon a policy of action, by forcing events, Hon. W. II. MARSH, C.M.G and turning them to her advantage. That sko in prepared to intervous by force of ars in Bulgaria is, as we have intimated by no means certain, but it is reported that she has secured permission for her troops to pass through Roumanis, and though this re port bas been denied, the presence of Buc- sinn officers at Bacharest gives à colour to it which bas been deepened by subsequent! events. The ill-concealed hustility of Eusais

on. WONO SKINO. Hon. A. P. MACE WEN. Hon. J. BELLIEVING.

MINUTES

The minutes of the last meeting were read

THE ACTING GOVERNOE'S SPEECH.

to Austria, which has resulted in the dissola. sad evirmed.

tion of the triple alliance, is also significant, HIR EXOHLLENC Hon. Mombers of the

and bodes ill for the maintenance of peace for Legislative Council, when I closed this wassion any length of time. The Eastern Question, on the 21st May leat I announced to you that however, has frequently been in so cute would be probable I should have to call a spoofal meeting of Council about the middle of Septem- stage before, and the hurtling storm has bar for the purpose of considering the estimates for next year. I find myself, however, compelled

pared without breaking: we can only hope despite the suspicious appearances, It may do so again.

to emmanou a special meeting at an eller period

and for a totally different purpose. Eines the

close of the last session I have received intrao-

mittee, which resolution lavolves the socious guts

to confess I in common with the public generally minority. At the land disenssion in the Fionna disanino, may have been susatisfactory to these fo the old praction being continued. certainly did consider these meetings of the bin Committee the Hon. W. Keswick was here, and who were not present and did not know what-

very

His EXCELLENCY-Hon. members of Carrol ases Committee were of the greatest importance, ha bara testimony to the useful as of the Fix was going on. At the same time I may The debate which has just taken place is a fery Every matter of public interest which "involves ante Committee. He was able to state that he point out that a great deal of it was non important one, and I shall make it my duty the expenditure of money has invariably been had invariably obtained every information he idential and could have bean soureyed in no to forward roport of it is the Secretary sattied at these mootings. I am aware that would desire, that discussion and argument had other way. I am referring to a meeting we had of State, giving him the opportunity of giving probably the argument of the Government will boon free as possible, and the only thing here when Colonel Walker explained at great such directions in respect to the suggestions he that before anything is actually passed it has he complained of was thia-that after var length the nature of the fortifcations. That that have been made as he may thluk fit. But to be confirmed by the Legislative Coapril As fall discussion in the Finance Comunities meeting was an intallcotast treat to avery them I regret I caauet support any recommendation against that I erald say that it has been the the members were not disposed to discuss the bor who was present. I myself have seldom en for the admission of the public to the mastings practice of the Finance Ccammittee when say nutter in Council, or stato thoir opinion. Not jove anything more than listening to that ex-of the Fleanes Committee, or for the abolition sum of money was voted to spend that money if that they had any objection to their opinions planation by a gentleman who understood bis of that Committee. I have had a Roessary there and then; and upon my patting boing published, bot it was more out of a wish subject to thereaghly and explained it with such long experience in other louies, especially Before bringing before the Eventivo Connall the the question to the President of the finance not to take up the dwe of the Council, and the lauidity as Colonel Walker did. Bat had in Mauritias, where the same system prorails resolution propound yesterday by the Finans Com Committer Supposing a vote carried against only recommendation or sinentment he would ❘ porters been present Colonel Walker's mouth which, was adopted here in 1872. To my tion whather the praction of many yaara pant fa you in the Council add the money already spent, propose or suggest was that it should be left to would have been shut and we should not have knowledge it has been going on in Mau- be now suddenly changed, I wish that question who weald be responsible P" He replied The one or two amber to move that the matter, in- heard anything of that information which we ritins for 30 years. Mauricing is much larger be considerent at al maching of the Finance Governor and to bold perennally responsible fond of being steered to the Commitoon, chetid listened to for two or three hears. Then an- land than Hongkong, and its expendit

omnities; as an afraid that the resolution is far If that is not unconstitutional I do not know be taken in the Legislativa Cetoril. I think other thing. Great stress has been laid on the think, is £750,000 year. The very hoonest inte trom expressing the views of the majority of the what it. I would get it to your Ernstency proty by en friant on my right (Hon. F. Eyria) will protics of the Hotes of Commons. Now, in rat was taken there in all you of 2007 Members. Iroqueat the Finance Comaltice there fors to meet agric on Tuanday tart, the 30th instant, cally, in fue arent of a vote having been passed base similar testimony, that in Fluence Com-the somewhat meagre discussions which take and they were very fully discussed; but 4pm., when I trust that all the Mambays will by the Finsace Committee on the subject referred mittee we have obtained all the information we place in the House of Commons on the estimates they ware discussed in Finance Committee first, End it convenient to attend, and will consider as to the other day, and the rote gang against asked for, and have freely and fully linesesed the people are referred to by classes, as the Customs and then when the vote was moved for the proposition made by the Honourable a P. Hawen you this evening, $20,000 or $91,000 ring matters brenght before us. Some mention has Offers, or Exciseren, or perhaps Poamasters, adoption of the report, it could be discaased again, or any other that may be made in Hon thereof.

Government Haven, Fongkong, 18th July, 1895, been already spent, which raight easily be themaebeampiade focezion, or quasi-corolan, in conneo and if those are spaken of an viiluing the lash falls and in say matters of imporisnes this was al The Minster the last Meeting, bold on the 16th would ponconelder yourself personally responsible tion with the fortifications, butas larss my memory very lightly on the individual; he has always ways done. Now, since I have left Mauritius, instant, are read and sonfrmad.

Well, a fell discussion took place when the abserves me, everyple came round to the views ex- the pleasure of thinking he le an exception to they have got a very large representative alement (1)-Had the following Pospatches in connection sent members were present, and I am bound to pressed by Mr. Kerwink and Mr. Jackson. There the general rule; but here the class cumsiste per in the Council, twelve elsated, besides other wo with the first formation in this Colony of the Finance say the real wom pretty much the same as was certainly no esercion, and the germittee hays of cae man, and if I were to take up the time official members appointed by the Governor Cheusitive

C. O. Despatch, No. 5, of 5th Jangazy, 1870,

before. My hos friand Mr. Keswick before he was unanimous. I think Mr. Jasko, at one of of the Council I would refer to many cases where and they are perfectly satisfied with the Governor's Destak, No.te of 1st August, 1979. left the Colony stated fully he was in favor of the meetings of the Chamber of Commerce, bore comerke have been made with regard to indivi-working of the Fiusnos Committee. It is a 0.0. Despatch, No. 145, of 8th October, 1872. matters being discussed in public, and stad votes similar testimony. Therefore I ask, what are deals which would have been mest erael on these great cranience. It enables the Government Read olo extract from Governor's Buck 19th for large sums of money, bai he also stated that the ressons on which we are asked to make a trivials had thay been published next morn to give to the Council conßdential information October 1878, and artract from Sacratary of State he would be sorry to see the Finston Committee change in our mode of conducting business. Iing in the newspapers. It is a very easy thing which they would never be able to do otherwise, Denali ofoni sets by His Excelenoy Wholly done away with. Now, arato paint is sure if my bon triend opposite (fon à P. to say a thousanti maa are not worth the salary and the fullest publicity sy given after the Officer Adultistering the Government —

my argument, we have heard it ataud free wen) had waited some time be cold have they are drawing, but it is different thing to any hon member wishes. I propose, on the all- quently in this Celsay upon the best legal obtained better insight into the working of the say that one man, whose sole offence is that he mates, to suggest a different pouree from W. B. MARKE 1 thing that the Husoarable Member who made authority, unwely, las Attorney Gisteral sad the Flange Committee and that he would not bare le a harmless aineompoop, is not worth his sal- that which has hitherto been followed. The the motion in Finanon Committee on the 15th luxtant, learned Queen's Counsel who is at prtoont brought forward ble motion. Now, with re-azy. Thon, my and, friend has made a grest praction has been to lay the estimates begin the that the meetings should be ball wiis open dogs. dement, that these forst meetings of the Finance and to pehlicits, I think every possible publi- deal of the vote about the Ipan, but that aimply Council refer them to the Beance Committe has taken the best of the Unmmittee are unconstitutional and against the deyil, given Nothing is referred to the amounted to this, that we did think, and do this and then ask the Connoil to vote en bloc, but I of the Committees of laws and of Public Works, la Charter and Instructions of the Colony; and that Finance Committee except bats through that though hol loan would be preferable the propose to move that the Conmall should go into stated in the opening Epsack of Sir George Bowen, sn has never been contradicted. I endeavoured to the Legislative Council Thary is generally a points in discussion had been reduced to so Committee on them salt doeson bills, and you will

following.

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mistaken object Finance Committee.