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THE CHINA MAIL, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 4, 1957.

Nasser speaks 'I TURNED

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to Lord

Lord Lambton

TO

-WHAT COULD

"They made no move-I had to

go and ask'

LORD LAMBTON, MP, who resigned as Parliamentary Private Secretary to Mr Selwyn Lloyd to mark his disagreement with the Suez policy, interviewed Nasser. Here is his account of their meeting.

CAIRO.

We drank barley water and coffee alternately, President Nasser looked exceedingly well, as if the events of the last year had suited ́him. We talked for 100 minutes in his office,

decorated solely by a picture of himself.

I asked him first about the internal situation in Egypt and the present pattern of trade.

that

He said that it had always been his belief his country should be independent of any particular trading bloc; that one-third of her trade should be with the West, one with the East and one with the Soviet Union.

However, since Suez this had become impossible and,

PROFESSIONAL he had been forced to turn to the Soviet Union,

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“Did you do this willingly?—"But what alternative did I have? A short time ago I was down to one month's supply of meat an 15 days' supply of petrol. naked for aid from America. They refused to give it to me. What could I do?"

"So Russia offered it to you?"-"No, they nude no I had to go myself to ask for it, then they helped me. I would have been destroyed without them."

move.

"Then, without Western trade you will come closer. and closer to Russia?"--"But this is inevitable; this country has not only to import but to export to live, we

"Might you

PRESIDENT NASSER "Porfectly reasonable."

RUSSIA

I DO?

I

them?""I will not be depend- ent for live years."

"Do you believe that during that time Russia will provide you with carentials if the West will not?" "In the foreseeable future, yes."

This was really the gist of our conversation, except that concerning the Israeli frontler he, declined to comment, on the possibility of on International zone.

"They have always been the "But would you agree that aggressors," he said. "They a in the long rua trade with the lacked us." West is your only chance of retaining actual independence?"

That is so, and it would also be good for England."

not

"In that case do yo think that it would be wise for you to make a gestire of rea- zonablenes?"—"[ am perfectly reasonable."

"That," I said primly, “la why we came in.

At this he burat out laughing.

HOBSON'S CHOICE

Fairly soon the British Gov- ement will have to make up its mind to trade with Nasser and come to an arrangemeal in the hope that he has learned the "Well, let me put it this way. lesson of extremism or continue. There is a section of opinion in with America, the blockade England and America that be- which risks him falling into the lieves that you are absolutely Soviet's hands and offering 10 untrustworthy and that to have them the same opportunities dealings with you is to risk a they seized with such alacrity in Tepetition of the part?"-"Sure- Syria. ly it is in both our Interests to trade, There is only one choice for the East today-nationalism or Communism. It go, the other will come."

Vou

I'M READY with you surely not out of "Wik

then pive an human kindness?"_"I think

assurance that

you ult lot that Russia wishes to show the work directly against Arab nations that they are on interests in the Middle Eart?"" their side against exploitation.

DUT

Certainly it is Hobson's cholce. But if Egypt were to join Syria as a Communist-Influenced state, our two main oil, supply routes would be in hands directly op- posed to our interests.

Of one thing after our talk, I felt perfectly certain. Nasser still believes in himself and his Fiar and has no intention of relaxing his grip of office. even, in order to maintain

The time that

"But anyhow, how can I con- "I am ready to trade, with his position, he has to resort to

Britain, I agreed with your

desperate remedies, that trade men the other day some Britons should return to bargain with him therefore their business. It must be

short.

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be wrong and, to speak frankly, night nor your popularlig here and in the Arab world give you a false impression of your importance to Russia, may they not regard you as a card to play or discard according to your

usefulness?

"Then how long do you think At any imagine that they are

Taje, why do you you can keep up your present

having relations with Russla

without inconvenient trade retations becoming dependent upon.

eern myself with the dangers of the future when 1 have to strive against the dangers of the pre- sent? If I thinks of the future. the present wit overwhelm me few at a time,

"I'M REASONABLE"

goer.

to see how it

LORD

bý

remains to Lg

LAMBTON

Their desire is for books...I read through Pickwick Papers every three weeks, said Swinburn

James Zarb

CAIRO. WENT to President

have to sell our cotton crop. Last year the only countries Nasser's Turah gaol out

who would buy it were Czechoslovakia, China and Russia."

the

I talk with the jailed Britons

side Cairo and talked with Then Egypt must have money to go on with her five James Swinburn and James

Zarb, years' plan. I found out that the present instalment of

two Britons that plan is the building of 32 factories and

*serving that the

sentences for main concern machinery for this effort is coming from Czechoslovakia, allegedly spying against dimeuitics of their wives

Egypt.

On my pointing out the degree of his dependence on Communist states, he said that it was not so bad now. for he was getting enough oil from his own wells and Saudi Arabia, and has signed trade agreements with France and Italy.

the

But, when I pressed him, he admitted that stability of the country now depended on Communist trade.

I then turned to the subject about which I particularly wanted to question him.

"What do you think of recent events in Spriu!" "It is a different matter from here. There the purge I was caused by an American plot, the officers got rid of

were those approached by the Americang,

"But there is a considerable Russian influence there?""That may be so, but Egypt and Syria are not comparable."

Pataco

The Artistical featuring Magic Melody

"GIVE MACMILLAN HELL!"

office with the

was with the read through Pickwick Papers

· and every three weeks or so. Then crossword puzzle books-they would be a great help.”

James Swinburn

"Is it very hot and domp In Cairo?" I said it was.

"We are lucky here," he said. "Our room faces north and gets a nice cool breeze. I bet that it ly cooler than your Toom in Sliepheards Hotel,"

Quite apart

As I went

out through the prison gale I looked back and saw them walking away-two Any books sent to them should small Agures talking, heads be marked "Free gif" and together, in blue overalla and posted direct to the prison. peaked cops, seemingly quite separate and apart from thelr fellow prisoners and the guards around them.

children.

Both men looked pale but Governor's

As they came Into the comparatively well. apologetic cheerfulness of hosts The chief fault they found, in who have kept their guests

to their life was that owing waiting. both seemed deter- Aslan u the quarry work had mised to rise above cireum- been stopped-and they had lost stances.

the blessed variety of carrying stones.

Bad manners

Our conversation what I had expected,

However, this chapter of their life is apparently over for in not the prison there

is a carpent for they

ers-cum-carvers shop which

was

talked of the Test matches, racing and

Their relations with the Governor seemed to be of the best. Every now and again Zarb

Indeed, It is the measure Of would dart up to him and ask their triumph that somehow or him about something or other other they have kept their sali- and each time he smilingly respect and maintained their agreed.

and own world

conventions We also talked of the con- inviolate.

-(London Exprese Service).

makes furniture and copies the siderable heat, Asked Swinburn: the Government traditional treasures of Egypt. | ===== changes, They strictly away, for half an hour,

kept The Governor told me they

from

cor!-

their own affairs with the politeness of those who skler It bad manners 10 talk about themselves.

They have an invincible courage in the face of adveralty. Eventually when I brought The talk around to them, their

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Their desire is for books. "WC want something cold," Swinburn sald.

Ut

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