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Thirteenth Day. 8 May 1907.

RECIPROCITY AS TO SURVEYORS. (Mr. Brodeur.)

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Our country each province has the right to deal with the nomination or appointment of certain surveyors, and they have got different regulations according to the province in which they are, and I submit that it would be impossible for us to pass any resolution which would affect that.

It is not a matter which could be dealt with by the Federal Authorites; it can only be dealt with by the Provincial Authorities.

Mr. DEAKIN: Some of us are Federal and some are State.

Mr. BRODEUR: Some are Federal, which deal with the lands which are under Federal control.

Mr. DEAKIN: Sir Joseph Ward is not a Federal representative but what we would call a State representative, and so are Mr. Moor, Dr. Smartt, and General Botha. They are qualified to speak on these subjects, where you and I are not.

Mr. BRODEUR: That is the difficulty in which we find ourselvés.

Sir JOSEPII WARD: I understand, but as long as you put your position on record you need not give effect to it except by legislation. They have to comply with the Local Acts.

Mr. BRODEUR: You would have to put your resolution a little broader than it is at the end there "subject only to his satisfying the Government or existing examining authority of the Province or State."

Sir JOSEPH WARD: Very well-of the Province or Country or State.

CHAIRMAN: May I suggest that you would be satisfied with this resolution: "That it is desirable that reciprocity should be established between the respective Governments and examining authorities throughout "the Empire with regard to the examination and authorisation of land surveyors, and that the Memorandum of the Surveyor's Institution on this subject be recommended to the favourable consideration of the several "Governments.'

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Dr. SMARTT: That meets it.

Sir JOSEPH WARD: That may mean it could not be done at all.

CHAIRMAN: On the contrary, I think it is very practical.

Sir JOSEPH WARD: Very well.

CHAIRMAN: That has been circulated to the members.

Sir JOSEPH WARD: You leave out everything after what?

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CHAIRMAN: After the word 'Surveyors" and insert "and that the "Memorandum of the Surveyors Institution on this subject be recommended

to the favourable consideration of the several Governments."

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to me a very practical way of carrying out what you wish.

That seems

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Dr. SMARTT: I should think that meets it. Our difficulty is the same as the difficulty of the Surveyor's Institution of England. We are one of the fow Colonies with a severe examination in connection with land surveying, not alone in reference to the mere surveying of land, but in connection with the other matters referred to by the Surveyors' Institution, and it would not do to allow the ordinary qualified land surveyor who had not studied the other subjects to come and compete on even more favourable termis than our people who had studied these subjects. It is not our desire to prevent anybody from any part of the Empire coming in so long as we can arrive at a fair test.

Sir JOSEPH WARD: I am quite agreeable to accept that.

CHAIRMAN: Will that do, Mr. Brodeur?

Mr. BRODEUR: I do not think it would be possible for us to agree, because it would be asserting a right which we have not got at all. The Provinces have more rights than we have got ourselves.

CHAIRMAN: We are not saying that you have at any rate; we only say

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Mr. BRODEUR: Then we might add a clause by. which this matter

be reserved for consideration.

CHAIRMAN: Yes.

Mr. DEAKIN : I quite agree with Mr. Brodeur that this is not a question we are entitled to speak upon with authority. I spoke on the previous question as a member of the legal profession.

CHAIRMAN: Shall we adopt it in that form?

Mr. BRODEUR: Will you please read it again?

CHAIRMAN: "That it is desirable that reciprocity should be established between the respective Governments and examining authorities throughout the Empire with regard to the examination and authorisation of land surveyors, and that the Memorandum of the Surveyor's Institution on this subject be commended to the favourable consideration of the several Governments." That sends it to everybody.

Mr. BRODEUR: Would that include both the Federal and the Provincial Governments?

CHAIRMAN: Yes, they are the examining authority.

Sir WILFRID LAURIER: That is a pious wish and nothing else.

are Naturalization, the CHAIRMAN: The subjects for to-morrow Extension of British Interests in the Pacific, Imperial Cables, and there is the Notice which Mr. Deakin handed in this morning; he also wishes to refer again to the organization of the Colonial Oflice, and I would like to get the final decision of the Conference with regard to the publication of the proceedings. That as far as I know is everything except two things, one, a

Thirteenth Day.

8 May 1907.

RECIPROCITY AS

TO SURVEYORS,

Resolution XVI., P. ix.